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wdmso 01-24-2022 10:38 AM

Christian nationalism is still thriving — and is a force for returning Trump to power


They believe that masks and vaccinations violate religious freedom, that the participants in the Jan. 6 capitol riot were proud patriots, and the Biden administration is evil and illegitimate

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Christian nationalists believe that America is Christian and Trump is their best hope to keep it that way

I love this one

"Donald Trump represented what we stand for as a nation"
You go to flyover country and people have good moral values. They love the Lord and they want the best for the country. And that's what Donald Trump tapped into. That's what he represented."

Classic attack on the OTHERS !

But every other normal person in the World understand“ Trump is not a moral man. Americans You have known that since he Ran the 1st time! . but his supporters See Trump as General Maximus :rotf3:

Jim in CT 01-24-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221269)
Christian nationalism is still thriving — and is a force for returning Trump to power


They believe that masks and vaccinations violate religious freedom, that the participants in the Jan. 6 capitol riot were proud patriots, and the Biden administration is evil and illegitimate

.
Christian nationalists believe that America is Christian and Trump is their best hope to keep it that way

I love this one

"Donald Trump represented what we stand for as a nation"
You go to flyover country and people have good moral values. They love the Lord and they want the best for the country. And that's what Donald Trump tapped into. That's what he represented."

Classic attack on the OTHERS !

But every other normal person in the World understand“ Trump is not a moral man. Americans You have known that since he Ran the 1st time! . but his supporters See Trump as General Maximus :rotf3:

democratic governor of NY: “the gun did it.”

but let’s blame
christian nationalists, whoever they are, for everything!

one of the very few bright spots for biden was the stock market. Now that is acting up.

The german shepherd puppy he just got, will probably attack the british prime minister soon. everything, everything is coming un- glued.
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wdmso 01-24-2022 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221272)
democratic governor of NY: “the gun did it.”

but let’s blame
christian nationalists, whoever they are, for everything!

one of the very few bright spots for biden was the stock market. Now that is acting up.

The german shepherd puppy he just got, will probably attack the british prime minister soon. everything, everything is coming un- glued.
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Jim religion and politics are perfect
For conservatives like yourself

Both spewing Hypocritical nonsense in the name of GOD
Claiming they own the market in the name of morality…

Radical Islam and Christian nationalists are closer aligned then either will admit , in public anyhow
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wdmso 01-24-2022 04:42 PM

Georgia prosecutor granted special grand jury in probe of Trump’s efforts to overturn state’s election results

Let see who will refuse testify

Got Stripers 01-26-2022 07:37 AM

Want a chuckle Wayne go watch Don’t Look Up on Netflix, a perfect spoof view of a Trump like administration, it’s classic.

Jim in CT 01-26-2022 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221279)

Radical Islam and Christian nationalists are closer aligned then either will admit , in public anyhow
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radical muslims want to kill everyone who doesn’t obey their religion. please specify how christian nationalists are closely aligned with that. aim all ears.

STILL waiting for you to propose a hypothetical gun law that would have prevented those NYC cops from being murdered?
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wdmso 01-29-2022 09:01 AM

The Jan. 6 panel subpoenas 14 people in fake electors scheme tied to Trump
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wdmso 01-29-2022 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221401)
radical muslims want to kill everyone who doesn’t obey their religion. please specify how christian nationalists are closely aligned with that. aim all ears.

STILL waiting for you to propose a hypothetical gun law that would have prevented those NYC cops from being murdered?
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Last time I checked I wasn’t a lawmaker but if I was my idea would involve more than Just the word NO
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Jim in CT 01-29-2022 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221572)
Last time I checked I wasn’t a lawmaker but if I was my idea would involve more than Just the word NO
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so you support politicians who say more gun laws are the answer, but you can’t conceive of a hypothetical law that would have prevented that crime. which necessarily means, you cannot explain why you support those politicians, other than the fact that you believe everything said by everyone who has a D next to their name

now, can you justify york comment that christian nationalists are “closely aligned” with muslim radicals? or is that another thing you heard a democrat say, and therefore you blindly believe it?
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Pete F. 01-29-2022 10:28 AM

UPDATE: “MAUS” NOW AN AMAZON BESTSELLER…
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detbuch 01-29-2022 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221584)
UPDATE: “MAUS” NOW AN AMAZON BESTSELLER…
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The Bible is a best seller. The world's number one best seller. Not sure that merely being a best seller qualifies for being part of public school curriculums.

Pete F. 01-29-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1221588)
The Bible is a best seller. The world's number one best seller. Not sure that merely being a best seller qualifies for being part of public school curriculums.

Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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scottw 01-29-2022 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221589)
Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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some people say the stupidest things for political reasons....

Pete F. 01-29-2022 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1221591)
some people say the stupidest things for political reasons....

Some people say things they believe, unlike the supporters of the party of family values with the shining examples of Rapey McForehead, Herschel Walker, Eric Greitens, and Sean Parnell
Never mind the Trump family
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scottw 01-29-2022 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221592)

Rapey McForehead, Herschel Walker, Eric Greitens, and Sean Parnell
Never mind the Trump family

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:hihi:

Jim in CT 01-29-2022 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221592)
Some people say things they believe, unlike the supporters of the party of family values with the shining examples of Rapey McForehead, Herschel Walker, Eric Greitens, and Sean Parnell
Never mind the Trump family
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isn’t there a rape allegation against Biden? and liberal hero Bill Clinton? any reason why those don’t count, but you’re all worked up about allegations against republicans?
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Pete F. 01-29-2022 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221594)
isn’t there a rape allegation against Biden?
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Last I knew you were claiming that was really going somewhere because Ronan Farrow was on the case……🦗🦗
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detbuch 01-29-2022 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221589)
Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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Help the poor to do what? To comfortably remain poor? What was Jesus's true concern? To make everyone equally comfortable? To make everyone materially equal? Did he want human government to solve all of humanity's needs and problems? Did he want a world in which there was no need for God?

Separating Christ's values from "Christian values" gives the lie to anyone who professes a secular government based on "Christian values."

Christ taught a charity that is personal, not governmental. Christ did not try to reform government, nor support movements that would make the government a means to solve the material needs of humanity.

When he said to give Caesar what was owed to Caesar, he did not tell us to give Caesar your soul. He did not tell us to become dependent on Caesar. Your soul, your essence, your fundamental self belongs to him, to God. No matter under what governmental system by which you happen to be ruled.

That is the true Christian value. And a true Christian would speak that message, not tell us to worship and depend on the manna given to us by a secular society.

I don't know how deeply felt were Jimmy Carter's Christian values. Nor even, how deep is the faith of most of those who profess to be Christians.

Pete F. 01-29-2022 01:05 PM

I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.
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scottw 01-29-2022 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1221597)
Help the poor to do what? To comfortably remain poor? What was Jesus's true concern? To make everyone equally comfortable? To make everyone materially equal? Did he want human government to solve all of humanity's needs and problems? Did he want a world in which there was no need for God?

Separating Christ's values from "Christian values" gives the lie to anyone who professes a secular government based on "Christian values."

Christ taught a charity that is personal, not governmental. Christ did not try to reform government, nor support movements that would make the government a means to solve the material needs of humanity.

When he said to give Caesar what was owed to Caesar, he did not tell us to give Caesar your soul. He did not tell us to become dependent on Caesar. Your soul, your essence, your fundamental self belongs to him, to God. No matter under what governmental system by which you happen to be ruled.

That is the true Christian value. And a true Christian would speak that message, not tell us to worship and depend on the manna given to us by a secular society.

I don't know how deeply felt were Jimmy Carter's Christian values. Nor even, how deep is the faith of most of those who profess to be Christians.

it fun when leftist atheists lecture Christians about being Christian,,,,it's like when white liberals lecture black folks about being black

scottw 01-29-2022 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221600)


I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.

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:confused:

Pete F. 01-29-2022 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1221601)
it fun when leftist atheists lecture Christians about being Christian,,,,it's like when white liberals lecture black folks about being black

It’s fun to watch ignorant people prove their ignorance, are you claiming to be more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I
🤡
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scottw 01-29-2022 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221603)
It’s fun to watch ignorant people prove their ignorance, are you claiming to be more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I
🤡
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nope...just making an observation...I don't care how Christian you or Jimmy Carter are

Jim in CT 01-29-2022 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221596)
Last I knew you were claiming that was really going somewhere because Ronan Farrow was on the case……🦗🦗
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you dodged the question.

no i knew that was never going anywhere. because democrats don’t care when fellow democrats are accused of such things. only when republicans are.

cowardly, no?
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Pete F. 01-29-2022 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221606)
you dodged the question.

no i knew that was never going anywhere. because democrats don’t care when fellow democrats are accused of such things. only when republicans are.

cowardly, no?
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Was Biden accused, is that your sad question
Not credibly unlike the people I cited
Your just like the people you think are good enough for you
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Jim in CT 01-29-2022 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221610)
Was Biden accused, is that your sad question
Not credibly unlike the people I cited
Your just like the people you think are good enough for you
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why no credibility? unlike Kavanaugh, the victim described the rape to family back when it happened.

to you, an accusation against a democrat, means no credibility, that’s your barometer.

i don’t care much about the moral
shortcomings of people in DC, i care about their policies and results. i don’t forgive hurting people, but i don’t care about mean tweets and infidelity, and that’s regardless of party. whereas to you and your cohorts here, party is literally all that matters.

every single position you’ve ever taken here, would be reversed 180 degrees if the political party of the persons involved, was switched. every single position you’ve ever taken.

some principles

every post you’ve ever made, is a function of party. and 100% predictable.
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Pete F. 01-29-2022 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221611)
why no credibility? unlike Kavanaugh, the victim described the rape to family back when it happened.

to you, an accusation against a democrat, means no credibility, that’s your barometer.

i don’t care much about the moral
shortcomings of people in DC, i care about their policies and results. i don’t forgive hurting people, but i don’t care about mean tweets and infidelity, and that’s regardless of party. whereas to you and your cohorts here, party is literally all that matters.

every single position you’ve ever taken here, would be reversed 180 degrees if the political party of the persons involved, was switched. every single position you’ve ever taken.

some principles

every post you’ve ever made, is a function of party. and 100% predictable.
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You obviously have never done any research into this case and once again are repeating the white wing propaganda you’ve been fed.
Just keep believing
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wdmso 01-29-2022 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221576)
so you support politicians who say more gun laws are the answer, but you can’t conceive of a hypothetical law that would have prevented that crime. which necessarily means, you cannot explain why you support those politicians, other than the fact that you believe everything said by everyone who has a D next to their name

now, can you justify york comment that christian nationalists are “closely aligned” with muslim radicals? or is that another thing you heard a democrat say, and therefore you blindly believe it?
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jim this sums your party perfectly

One of the key characteristics of today’s Republican Party is its anemic agenda; at the national level it organizes itself not around policy goals but around owning the libs. This is one of the central facts underlying the debate over the filibuster: It harms Democrats much more than Republicans, because Democrats actually want government to do things. When Republicans take power, they pass a big tax cut, then pretty much call it a day.S

The GOP does, however, have a comprehensive negative policy agenda —

But keep thinking they pass stuff


Ps not sure how you can’t understand are “closely aligned”
Is not exactly the same..

White Supremacists Killed More Americans Than Muslim Extremists in Recent Years, Terrorism Report Shows

And before you excuse that away white supremacy usually equals nationalist and Christianity if you are actually interested in Facts
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wdmso 01-29-2022 05:46 PM

I don’t care much about the moral
shortcomings of people in DC, i care about their policies and results.

Ever once in a while the Truth comes out. Today’s New GOP has even given up on character,! And they want stay in power by any means necessary…. trumps the prime example
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Jim in CT 01-29-2022 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221613)
jim this sums your party perfectly

One of the key characteristics of today’s Republican Party is its anemic agenda; at the national level it organizes itself not around policy goals but around owning the libs. This is one of the central facts underlying the debate over the filibuster: It harms Democrats much more than Republicans, because Democrats actually want government to do things. When Republicans take power, they pass a big tax cut, then pretty much call it a day.S

The GOP does, however, have a comprehensive negative policy agenda —

But keep thinking they pass stuff


Ps not sure how you can’t understand are “closely aligned”
Is not exactly the same..

White Supremacists Killed More Americans Than Muslim Extremists in Recent Years, Terrorism Report Shows

And before you excuse that away white supremacy usually equals nationalist and Christianity if you are actually interested in Facts
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we absolutely organize around policy ideals, which is why we own the libs.

for the millionth time, americans really liked trumps policies. he set an all time record in the Gallup poll. an all time record isn’t an ambiguous result

cops are getting slaughtered left and right by repeat offenders. that’s a winning issue for the gop, a huge loser for the left. that’s just one issue.

despite your statements, americans see a huge problem with the border.

I can explain why i believe what i believe. you can’t. you say you support democrats who advocate for
more gun laws. but you can’t offer a single additional law that you say would have helped recently.

what does that tell you?

white suoremacists have killed
more than jihadists? only if you carefully cherry-pick which years you’re talking about.

how many MericNs have been killed by white suoremacists? and how many have been murdered in gun violence in our cities?

yet you ignore city gun violence because again, it’s a losing issue for your party. the fact that ignoring it means more of those kids there will be murdered, is a price you’re willing to pay to avoid admitting that your side isn’t helping
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scottw 01-29-2022 05:55 PM

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leftist media and elected wanna-be authoritarians are calling these folks "fascists"...and the mobs rioting and burning down cities were "peaceful"...so we know what tree these leftist nuts are falling from

Pete F. 01-29-2022 06:10 PM

All that remains of the old GOP is a bunch of resentful voters and a freakish cult.
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Pete F. 01-29-2022 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221616)
we absolutely organize around policy ideals, which is why we own the libs.

for the millionth time, americans really liked trumps policies. he set an all time record in the Gallup poll. an all time record isn’t an ambiguous result

cops are getting slaughtered left and right by repeat offenders. that’s a winning issue for the gop, a huge loser for the left. that’s just one issue.

despite your statements, americans see a huge problem with the border.

I can explain why i believe what i believe. you can’t. you say you support democrats who advocate for
more gun laws. but you can’t offer a single additional law that you say would have helped recently.

what does that tell you?

white suoremacists have killed
more than jihadists? only if you carefully cherry-pick which years you’re talking about.

how many MericNs have been killed by white suoremacists? and how many have been murdered in gun violence in our cities?

yet you ignore city gun violence because again, it’s a losing issue for your party. the fact that ignoring it means more of those kids there will be murdered, is a price you’re willing to pay to avoid admitting that your side isn’t helping
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Clown
For 2 years, Florida has been under reporting its Covid cases and especially Covid deaths. DeSantis is criminally responsible for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Floridians.
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scottw 01-29-2022 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221620)

Clown
For 2 years, Florida has been under reporting its Covid cases and especially Covid deaths. DeSantis is criminally responsible for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Floridians.

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:sleeps:

scottw 01-29-2022 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221619)
All that remains of the old GOP is a bunch of resentful voters and a freakish cult.
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AXIOS Jan 28, 2022 - Politics & Policy
Democrats stiff Biden as poll numbers hit low point

JAN. 28, 2022
Why Joe Biden Is Bleeding Black Support
Although Biden has lost ground with most every demographic group, he’s suffered especially steep losses with African American voters. In polling from NBC News, Biden’s approval rating among Black voters has fallen from 83 percent last April to 64 percent today. Quinnipiac University’s surveys show a similar trend, with Biden’s Black support dropping from 78 percent to 57 percent over the course of his first year in office.

guess we know why the Supreme Court thing erupted :hf1:

detbuch 01-29-2022 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221589)
Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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Not that it matters other than your chastising others for not doing the research, but apparently Jimmy Carter was not the author of that quote:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ji...-helping-poor/

scottw 01-29-2022 06:45 PM

pete is pretty fast and loose with his misinformation...he just likes to hold others to high standards

Pete F. 01-29-2022 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221401)
radical muslims want to kill everyone who doesn’t obey their religion. please specify how christian nationalists are closely aligned with that. aim all ears.

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Man going to assassinate @POTUS was arrested at the Hagerstown Maryland: Cracker Barrel. Yep. The Cracker. Barrel. Karma is a standup Comedianne these days.

allegedly on a 'mission from god' to 'lop off the head of the serpent in the heart of the nation,' a kansas construction contractor was intercepted by the secret service in the parking lot of a hagerstown, maryland cracker barrel
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Pete F. 01-29-2022 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1221623)
Not that it matters other than your chastising others for not doing the research, but apparently Jimmy Carter was not the author of that quote:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ji...-helping-poor/

Ok, let’s run with that

Congressman Stephen Fincher, a Republican from Tennessee, just took the Bible so far out of context he had to apply for a visa.Fincher is a fierce opponent of food aid for poor Americans. You know, like Jesus. He recently fought to cut $4.1 billion from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. If you only watch Fox, that means ‘food stamps.’ And thanks to the fine work of Fincher and his colleagues, 2 million working American families, children and seniors have already been cut off from food assistance.

So during a recent House agricultural committee debate, he decided to show how Christian it is to turn your back on unemployed suffering Americans by quoting one of the favorite Bible passages of revoltingly fake right-wing Christians — 2 Thessalonians 3:10 — “anyone unwilling to work should not eat.”

Fincher and the GOP … cut services for the poor and taxes for the rich. And it’s a free country. They’re allowed. But if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values. Because you don’t. And that’s why representative Fincher is our ‘revoltingly fake Christian of the week’!
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detbuch 01-29-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221600)
I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.
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So if government mandated universal healthcare had existed in Christ's time, that might have made it a bit harder for him to convince people to believe his divinity. Of course, he still would have had the proprietary rights of bringing the dead back to life. And his other miraculous healings of the blind and the sick and the demon infested psychologically disturbed would have been more appealing than whatever backward medical treatments were available back then--especially so since his and his disciple's service was free. Except that there was an implicit expectation that the healings would convince the ill and impoverished (as well and especially those healthy others who witnessed or heard about the miracles) to follow him and believe in the coming kingdom of God. That is, they would pay for their cures by surrendering their souls to Christ, to God. If they didn't, there might well not be another cure the next time around--not an explicit threat, but a rational, even religious, conclusion.

It was that payment by soul that was ultimately the true concern of Christ. He did not have a mission to provide some universal health care, nor even campaign for the government to provide it. Rather his goal was the singular salvation of souls. He didn't intend to physically cure every ill and dying person, nor even a minor fraction of them. Even if he would have, they would just get sick again, and he would then be burdened with the never ending task of providing universal health care.

The poor in health and the poor in spirit were the most vulnerable and the most likely to want what Christ offered. And therefor the most likely to provide occasions for miraculous cures for some of the more "privileged" to witness and be motivated thereby to eschew their wealth and privilege and follow the Christian way.

But the price for entering the kingdom of God was always the individual soul, not the lip service of organized bureaucracies and governments.

If anything, that organized capture of and lip service to Christianity (even though it has made possible the expansion of the religion) has diluted the true faith. And in our semi-miraculous technologically advanced time, that dilution has exposed much of the organized, bureaucratic "Christianity" to be a soulless fraud. This current Pope is the ultimate sellout of the Christian faith to the earthly powers and their centralized bureaucratic machinations intended to make us all little useful cogs in support of those self-indulgent but ultimately meaningless coteries of ruling elites.

With your "more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I" you've implied that you're a Christian. If so, are you a true believer or a soulless lip servant who can from time to time invoke the name of Jesus or refer to "Christian values" when it somehow supports some pet agenda?


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