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Jim in CT 01-31-2022 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221752)
trumps Texas rally


The former president also dangled pardons for Jan. 6 rioters and urged his throngs of supporters to descend on New York, Washington or Atlanta for street protests if he is convicted of crimes in ongoing investigations, intimations of support for violence that within hours

But Biden’s the threat to America
Says Republicans Lol
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so for now, you’re saying street protests are bad?
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scottw 02-01-2022 06:06 AM

I wonder if these leftist media outlets collude in any way?????

USA TODAY former president dangled the prospect of pardons

MSNBC At Trump's Texas rally, dangled pardons

USNEWS Trump is dangling the prospect of pardons

ABC News Donald Trump is dangling the prospect

TIME.com Donald Trump is dangling the prospect of pardons

Esquire and dangled impunity for people

CBS News Trump dangles prospect of pardons

CNN Trump teases a presidential run and dangles pardons

LA Times Trump is dangling the prospect of pardons

The Dad Fisherman 02-01-2022 07:08 AM

Well, just look at the size of the guy's hands
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wdmso 02-01-2022 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221755)
so for now, you’re saying street protests are bad?
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You 3 should go to lunch with this one you’ll fit right in

Greene to Newsmax: Trump's Jan. 6 Pardon Comment 'Music to My Ears'
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wdmso 02-01-2022 10:16 AM

Trump: 'Unselect Committee' Should Investigate Pence, Pelosi

So pathetic to watch the Unselect Committee of political hacks, liars, and traitors work so feverishly to alter the Electoral College Act so that a Vice President cannot ensure the honest results of the election, when just one year ago they said that 'the Vice President has absolutely no right to ensure the true outcome or results of an election,'

Still lying tru his Teeth ,
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Pete F. 02-01-2022 10:38 AM

Try and make it complicated
Barr refuses & resigns. DHS is a no. With new post-election appointees at DoD, all former living SecDefs write an Op-Ed demanding hands off & even Rudy agrees. So who keeps it moving-soliciting, attempting & conspiring to overthrow the election? The guy tearing up the records.
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Jim in CT 02-01-2022 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221781)
You 3 should go to lunch with this one you’ll fit right in

Greene to Newsmax: Trump's Jan. 6 Pardon Comment 'Music to My Ears'
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Are politically-motivated protests always bad? Or only when Republicans do it? Seems like a simple question.

scottw 02-01-2022 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221788)
Try and make it complicated
Barr refuses & resigns. DHS is a no. With new post-election appointees at DoD, all former living SecDefs write an Op-Ed demanding hands off & even Rudy agrees. So who keeps it moving-soliciting, attempting & conspiring to overthrow the election? The guy tearing up the records.
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reading pete's posts is like watching Curse of Oak Island....hope they find something

wdmso 02-01-2022 01:33 PM

Some records sent to Jan. 6 committee were torn up, taped back together — mirroring a Trump habit
The National Archives confirmed Trump’s unusual habit of ripping up documents, which forced aides to attempt to piece them back together in order to comply with the Presidential Records Act.


Of course no respect for the office AMERICA 1st LOL its always been Trump 1st

wdmso 02-01-2022 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221789)
Are politically-motivated protests always bad? Or only when Republicans do it? Seems like a simple question.

you're playing stupid again ?! Id say its Shocking but its expected

Jim in CT 02-01-2022 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221797)
you're playing stupid again ?! Id say its Shocking but its expected

i’m asking a pretty obvious question, which you are unable to respond to.
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Pete F. 02-01-2022 09:25 PM

Barr refuses & resigns. DHS is a no. With new post-election appointees at DoD, all former living SecDefs write an Op-Ed demanding hands off & even Rudy agrees. So who keeps it moving-soliciting, attempting & conspiring to overthrow the election? The guy tearing up the records.
What a surprise

I’m starting to think the guy who wouldn’t show his taxes, medical records, biz records, school records, and tore up every White House doc he touched might be trying to hide something.


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Jim in CT 02-02-2022 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221809)
Barr refuses & resigns. DHS is a no. With new post-election appointees at DoD, all former living SecDefs write an Op-Ed demanding hands off & even Rudy agrees. So who keeps it moving-soliciting, attempting & conspiring to overthrow the election? The guy tearing up the records.
What a surprise

I’m starting to think the guy who wouldn’t show his taxes, medical records, biz records, school records, and tore up every White House doc he touched might be trying to hide something.


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if it’s true that he considered having the military seize voting machines in disputed states with zero evidence they were tampered with, that should be enough for no rational person to support him.

i really, really, really don’t want him to run again. I believe no one else on the planet could have defeated Hilary in 2016, and in doing so he helped move scotus away from being a group of activists willing to ignore the constitution when they felt like it. that’s a good legacy.

Time for him to go. Preferably far away.
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wdmso 02-02-2022 07:46 AM

Time for him to go. Preferably far away.

On this we agree

However the faithful regardless of the evidence

Will Take to the streets at his beckoned call not for the county or to protest legislation

But because Trump told them to do it , just like He did Jan 6th .

Trump thinks just like like Hugo Chávez And Nicolás Maduro


Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

Trump checks all these Boxes

scottw 02-02-2022 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221812)
Time for him to go. Preferably far away.

On this we agree

However the faithful regardless of the evidence

Will Take to the streets at his beckoned call not for the county or to protest legislation

But because Trump told them to do it , just like He did Jan 6th .

Trump thinks just like like Hugo Chávez And Nicolás Maduro


Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

Trump checks all these Boxes

you are aware of the fact that trump is not the president...right?

Jim in CT 02-02-2022 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221812)
Time for him to go. Preferably far away.

On this we agree

However the faithful regardless of the evidence

Will Take to the streets at his beckoned call not for the county or to protest legislation

But because Trump told them to do it , just like He did Jan 6th .

Trump thinks just like like Hugo Chávez And Nicolás Maduro


Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

Trump checks all these Boxes

there are people
who will defend him no matter what. as a republican that saddens me.

there are others who will burn buildings to the ground and loot stores because they’re told cops are the enemy.

there’s a lot of thoughtlessness out there.

i don’t choose to be a republican because i think the average republican voter is morally superior to the average liberal voter. I’m a republican because if you compare what each side honestly, truly stands for, i like the GOPs platform
better.
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scottw 02-02-2022 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221812)


Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

"a majority of Democrats embrace restrictive policies, including punitive measures against those who haven’t gotten the COVID-19 vaccine.

55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines.

Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

47% of Democrats favor a government tracking program for those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine allowing governments using digital devices to track unvaccinated people to ensure that they are quarantined or socially distancing from others.

Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

President Biden’s strongest supporters are most likely to endorse the harshest punishments against those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine."

Jim in CT 02-02-2022 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221812)


Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

Trump checks all these Boxes

so does Biden. You just can’t/won’t see it because you like him.

Under Biden, a declaration of
emergency resulted in churches being closed because public gatherings were dangerous, but BLM riots were allowed to continue and liquor stores could stay open. There have been mandates to get medicine injected into your body ( interesting from democrats who on the issue of abortion, claim that individuals have the right to make their own medical decisions). and democrats are absolutely all about censoring those with whom they disagree. that happens constantly. that’s what “cancel culture” is.

not abiding by rule of law? how many prominent democrats have been seen violating mask mandates, including the hysterical photo of a maskless Biden in a Nantucket store standing behind a sign that says masks required. ask the folks whose homes and businesses were burned by BLM in the summer of love, if democrats embrace the rule
of law? which side is dedicated to sanctuary cities, the sole purpose of which is to protect illegal immigrants from deportation, AFTER they’ve committed additional
crimes here. that’s supporting the rule of law?

there’s good and bad on both sides. but you can’t concede that.

repressing political
opponents? what was biden doing, when he told blacks that “republicans want to put y’all back in chains?”

your side made up rape allegations against a supreme court justice who is the second coming of Ward Cleaver. they did it, because they didn’t like his politics.
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scottw 02-02-2022 09:17 AM

polls are fun...
Survey says: U.S. voters consider FBI Biden’s ‘personal Gestapo’
January 6, 2022

wdmso 02-02-2022 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1221821)
polls are fun...
Survey says: U.S. voters consider FBI Biden’s ‘personal Gestapo’
January 6, 2022

of course you would point to a survey from this source if fits perfectly into the world of the MAGA cult

National Survey of 1,000 U.S. Likely Voters:btu:

Conducted December 29-30, 2021
By Rasmussen Reports



1* Do you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable impression of the FBI?





2* Is Christopher Wray a better or worse FBI director than most of those who held the job before him? Or is his performance about the same?





3* Is the FBI director influenced by the president in his decision-making, or is he truly independent of the administration?





4* Do you agree or disagree with this statement: There is "a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo?”? wow no Bias in that question



Overall, we rate Law Enforcement Today far-Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that align with the conservative right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to the use of poor sources, lack of transparency, and failed fact checks.

wdmso 02-02-2022 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221820)
so does Biden. You just can’t/won’t see it because you like him.

Under Biden, a declaration of
emergency resulted in churches being closed because public gatherings were dangerous, but BLM riots were allowed to continue and liquor stores could stay open. There have been mandates to get medicine injected into your body ( interesting from democrats who on the issue of abortion, claim that individuals have the right to make their own medical decisions). and democrats are absolutely all about censoring those with whom they disagree. that happens constantly. that’s what “cancel culture” is.

not abiding by rule of law? how many prominent democrats have been seen violating mask mandates, including the hysterical photo of a maskless Biden in a Nantucket store standing behind a sign that says masks required. ask the folks whose homes and businesses were burned by BLM in the summer of love, if democrats embrace the rule
of law? which side is dedicated to sanctuary cities, the sole purpose of which is to protect illegal immigrants from deportation, AFTER they’ve committed additional
crimes here. that’s supporting the rule of law?

there’s good and bad on both sides. but you can’t concede that.

repressing political
opponents? what was biden doing, when he told blacks that “republicans want to put y’all back in chains?”

your side made up rape allegations against a supreme court justice who is the second coming of Ward Cleaver. they did it, because they didn’t like his politics.
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Its sad Jim you need to go on a rant about Biden and your imaginary foolish red herring comparisons

But with Trump you just post "its Time for him to go. Preferably far away"

Yep Bidens a bigger threat to America than Trump is that what your trying to Say .. or are you back to they both do it :btu:

Jim in CT 02-02-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221834)
Its sad Jim you need to go on a rant about Biden and your imaginary foolish red herring comparisons

But with Trump you just post "its Time for him to go. Preferably far away"

Yep Bidens a bigger threat to America than Trump is that what your trying to Say .. or are you back to they both do it :btu:

it wasn’t a biden rant. it was a rant about you sometimes getting it right when you criticize the gop, but never being able to see flaws in the left.

the things i pointed out, what did i “imagine”? what did i say bay wasn’t true?

i never came close to saying that biden is a bigger threat than trump. never came close to saying it.

But here’s the hard math. The january 6th rioters killed zero people. Quite a few were killed in the summer of love.

that may change. if it does, i’ll
admit it.

I said trump needs to go far away. maybe it would make you happier if i said i think we should burn him
to death once and for all? what more do you want?

Biden has trampled on liberties, the courts have said so with his
mandates.

Liberals are way more likely to want to censure political opponents than conservatives

and your side didn’t like Kavanaughs personal
politics, so they tried to ruin his life.

Make that one wrong.
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scottw 02-02-2022 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221831)

of course you would point to a survey from this source if fits perfectly into the world of the MAGA cult

.

well....obviously :)

scottw 02-02-2022 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221834)

Bidens a bigger threat to America than Trump

this is accurate....

Pete F. 02-02-2022 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221835)
it wasn’t a biden rant. it was a rant about you sometimes getting it right when you criticize the gop, but never being able to see flaws in the left.

the things i pointed out, what did i “imagine”? what did i say bay wasn’t true?

i never came close to saying that biden is a bigger threat than trump. never came close to saying it.

But here’s the hard math. The january 6th rioters killed zero people. Quite a few were killed in the summer of love.

that may change. if it does, i’ll
admit it.

I said trump needs to go far away. maybe it would make you happier if i said i think we should burn him
to death once and for all? what more do you want?

Biden has trampled on liberties, the courts have said so with his
mandates.

Liberals are way more likely to want to censure political opponents than conservatives

and your side didn’t like Kavanaughs personal
politics, so they tried to ruin his life.

Make that one wrong.
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The FBI closed its extended background check of Kavanaugh after four days and did not interview either Blasey Ford or Kavanaugh. The FBI also disclosed to the Senate this June – two years after questions were initially asked – that it had received 4,500 tips from the public during the background check and that it had shared all “relevant tips” with the White House counsel at that time. It is not clear whether those tips were ever investigated.
The FBI said in its letter to two senators – Sheldon Whitehouse and Christopher Coons – that the FBI did not have the authority under the 2010 MOU at the time to “unilaterally conduct further investigative activity absent instructions from the requesting entity”. In other words, the FBI has said it would have required explicit instructions from the Trump White House to conduct further investigation under the existing 2010 guidelines on how such investigations ought to be conducted.
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scottw 02-02-2022 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221840)
The FBI closed its extended background check of Kavanaugh after four days and did not interview either Blasey Ford or Kavanaugh. The FBI also disclosed to the Senate this June – two years after questions were initially asked – that it had received 4,500 tips from the public during the background check and that it had shared all “relevant tips” with the White House counsel at that time. It is not clear whether those tips were ever investigated.
The FBI said in its letter to two senators – Sheldon Whitehouse and Christopher Coons – that the FBI did not have the authority under the 2010 MOU at the time to “unilaterally conduct further investigative activity absent instructions from the requesting entity”. In other words, the FBI has said it would have required explicit instructions from the Trump White House to conduct further investigation under the existing 2010 guidelines on how such investigations ought to be conducted.
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maybe they would have uncovered some russian collusion....

Jim in CT 02-02-2022 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1221841)
maybe they would have uncovered some russian collusion....

or that he drank beer once in high school.

Pete F. 02-02-2022 02:36 PM

Actually they would have found that he was as described at Yale if they interviewed some of the 4000 reports they received instead of turning them over to the White House.
Now back to how Trump was never convicted
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detbuch 02-02-2022 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221854)
Actually they would have found that he was as described at Yale if they interviewed some of the 4000 reports they received instead of turning them over to the White House.
Now back to how Trump was never convicted
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We always can count on Pete persuading us with powerful suppositions which might possibly come close enough to actually being true.

wdmso 02-03-2022 01:17 PM

Ohio secretary of state finds 27 potentially illegal votes

out of 6 million Cast


Investigation finds only 475 cases of potential voter fraud in battleground states won by Biden looks like there is no issue with voter integrity . unless your a republican?

But for the Cult 475 case proves voter fraud exist and their conspiracy it proven


but voter Fraud looks like this

A Wisconsin man who mistakenly thought he could vote while on parole.

A woman in Arizona suspected of sending in a ballot for her dead mother.

A Pennsylvania man who went twice to the polls, voting once on his own behalf and once for his son.

There was no widespread, coordinated deceit... but dont tell Republicans or Trump fans just more fake news :bgi:

Jim in CT 02-03-2022 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221903)
Ohio secretary of state finds 27 potentially illegal votes

out of 6 million Cast


Investigation finds only 475 cases of potential voter fraud in battleground states won by Biden looks like there is no issue with voter integrity . unless your a republican?

But for the Cult 475 case proves voter fraud exist and their conspiracy it proven


but voter Fraud looks like this

A Wisconsin man who mistakenly thought he could vote while on parole.

A woman in Arizona suspected of sending in a ballot for her dead mother.

A Pennsylvania man who went twice to the polls, voting once on his own behalf and once for his son.

There was no widespread, coordinated deceit... but dont tell Republicans or Trump fans just more fake news :bgi:

Fraud didn't win the election for Biden. But its probably not 27 votes out of 6 million either. How do they confirm absentee ballots wayne, do you know? Signatures, they compare signatures visually. Give me a break, how many people can spot signature fraud? That's a legitimate concern, one that can be completely eliminated if you make people show ids to get absentee ballots

How many places are there, where it's harder for blacks to get id's than whites?

Zero. Literally, zero. Which is even less than 27 out of 6 million.

Doesn't stop one side from saying id requirements are racist.

wdmso 02-03-2022 03:58 PM

Trump boasts of a ‘100-percent’ defeated ISIS Heard it from Someone else?

ISIS leader killed by US special forces in Syria raid, Biden says

How does that Happen?

wdmso 02-03-2022 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221904)
Fraud didn't win the election for Biden. But its probably not 27 votes out of 6 million either. How do they confirm absentee ballots wayne, do you know? Signatures, they compare signatures visually. Give me a break, how many people can spot signature fraud? That's a legitimate concern, one that can be completely eliminated if you make people show ids to get absentee ballots

How many places are there, where it's harder for blacks to get id's than whites?

Zero. Literally, zero. Which is even less than 27 out of 6 million.

Doesn't stop one side from saying id requirements are racist.

What not enough Facts for you Jim theses results are coming from Members of your own Party ! with or without voter ID another red herring

Just admitted you believe trump's Big Lie and the reason why Republicans Have changed Voting Laws you can't have a legitimate concern when the reason claimed does not exist ..

Jim in CT 02-03-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1221911)
What not enough Facts for you Jim theses results are coming from Members of your own Party ! with or without voter ID another red herring

Just admitted you believe trump's Big Lie and the reason why Republicans Have changed Voting Laws you can't have a legitimate concern when the reason claimed does not exist ..

How many voting volunteers are effective trained to actually spot signature irregularities?

How did Ohio determine that all the absentee ballots were valid? I'm asking a question, and I know that you don't know the answer. But you'll insist the absentee ballots were legit, not because you have any reason to believe it, but because it helps liberalism.

For the second time...how many states have harder rules for blacks to get an id, than whites?

Pete F. 02-03-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1221904)
Fraud didn't win the election for Biden. But its probably not 27 votes out of 6 million either. How do they confirm absentee ballots wayne, do you know? Signatures, they compare signatures visually. Give me a break, how many people can spot signature fraud? That's a legitimate concern, one that can be completely eliminated if you make people show ids to get absentee ballots

How many places are there, where it's harder for blacks to get id's than whites?

Zero. Literally, zero. Which is even less than 27 out of 6 million.

Doesn't stop one side from saying id requirements are racist.

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

The Impact of Voter Suppression on Communities of Color

Over the past decade, scholars have studied myriad ways in which certain state voting rules make participation disproportionately difficult for Americans of color — including strict voter ID laws, lines faced on Election Day, and other facets of our election system. This analysis catalogs some of the most prominent research findings on the negative impact of voting restrictions on voters of color.

There is a large and growing pile of evidence that strict voter ID laws disproportionately impact voters of color.

Using county-level turnout data around the country, researchers demonstrated that the racial turnout gap grew when states enacted strict voter ID laws.
Researchers have also looked specifically at the turnout of individuals in North Carolina without proper identification, and they found that the enactment of the law reduced turnout. The turnout effects continued even after the strict voter ID law was repealed.
Another study shows that voters in Texas who would be barred from voting absent the state’s “Reasonable Impediments Declaration” (a court-ordered remedy allowing voters without proper IDs to participate) are disproportionately Black and Latino. The study argues that its “findings indicate that strict identification laws will stop a disproportionately minority, otherwise willing set of registered voters from voting.”
An article using a similar methodology and administrative records found that voters of color in Michigan were more likely to show up to the polls without proper identification.
Yet another study used survey data to demonstrate that voters of color in states across the country lacked access to the needed IDs to vote in their state.
While some studies have argued that voter IDs have little effect on overall turnout, it is clear that voters of color are less likely to have the IDs needed to participate.
Restrictions on Sunday voting — such as those proposed last year in Georgia and Texas — would fall disproportionately on voters of color.

Our research showed that voters of color were substantially more likely to vote on Sundays in Georgia than white voters.
Another study argues that these Sunday voters do not seamlessly transition to other days after cuts are made. For example, when Sunday voting was outlawed in Florida in 2012, Black voters who voted on Sunday in 2008 were especially likely to abstain from voting.
Voters of color consistently face longer wait times on Election Day — lines that would be exacerbated by cutting alternative options, such as vote-by-mail or expansive early voting hours.

Our report from 2020 indicates that voters of color around the country reported longer wait times in the 2018 midterms, using self-reported wait times from a national survey.
Other researchers have used cellphone data to demonstrate the same thing: waits are longer in neighborhoods with more racial and ethnic minorities.
Other research — including work from the Brennan Center — has also used administrative data to show that polling places with fewer white voters have more slowdowns.
Even vote-by-mail options, however, don’t completely level the playing field. Voters of color face more difficulties voting by mail, too.

Our research shows that mail ballots were rejected at much higher rates than those of white voters in the Georgia primary in 2020.
Other studies have found that this was true in Georgia and Florida’s 2018 general elections, too.
Polling place consolidation is also especially harmful for the turnout of racial and ethnic minorities.

The Brennan Center authored the first academic study documenting the turnout effects of the Covid-19 pandemic. We showed that polling place consolidation severely depressed turnout in Milwaukee’s presidential primary — and that the effects were even larger for Black than white voters.
This joins other research showing that voters of color are disproportionately impacted by polling place closures. This may be due to worse transportation access.

detbuch 02-03-2022 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221914)
When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This attempt at sharing a "pearl of wisdom" is more often used as a slogan to confirm an air of righteousness to a given agenda.

Privilege can be right or wrong or be earned or just be. Equality, given various contexts of oppression, can be a privilege.

So-called White Privilege is considered to be wrong or bad, not because of actual privileges, but because only whites have access to them. Because whites have created a system which gives them privileges denied to or at the expense of people of other colors.

The privilege accorded to the citizens of our republic, is not the elusive, probably unobtainable privilege of equality in this world of universal inequalities--except for only an equality before the law. It is, rather, the privilege of being free in this world of widespread oppression and having that freedom protected equally by the law.

"White Privilege" is, to me, mostly a misnomer. Many or most whites are not substantially privileged by being white. And many blacks access the supposed privilege by "acting white"--that is they do the things that whites do to actuate their so-called privilege. In that respect, actuating privilege is earning the privilege.

So long as we are free to earn our privileges, we should do well as a society. And if we concentrate on universal freedom rather than universal equality, we can achieve the privileges to our liking.

Pete F. 02-03-2022 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1221922)
This attempt at sharing a "pearl of wisdom" is more often used as a slogan to confirm an air of righteousness to a given agenda.

Privilege can be right or wrong or be earned or just be. Equality, given various contexts of oppression, can be a privilege.

So-called White Privilege is considered to be wrong or bad, not because of actual privileges, but because only whites have access to them. Because whites have created a system which gives them privileges denied to or at the expense of people of other colors.

The privilege accorded to the citizens of our republic, is not the elusive, probably unobtainable privilege of equality in this world of universal inequalities--except for only an equality before the law. It is, rather, the privilege of being free in this world of widespread oppression and having that freedom protected equally by the law.

"White Privilege" is, to me, mostly a misnomer. Many or most whites are not substantially privileged by being white. And many blacks access the supposed privilege by "acting white"--that is they do the things that whites do to actuate their so-called privilege. In that respect, actuating privilege is earning the privilege.

So long as we are free to earn our privileges, we should do well as a society. And if we concentrate on universal freedom rather than universal equality, we can achieve the privileges to our liking.

Apparently in your opinion all the foolish blacks need to do is “act white”, a while ago it was act like the good Asians.
Yea, structural racism doesn’t exist
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detbuch 02-03-2022 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1221925)
Apparently in your opinion all the foolish blacks need to do is “act white”, a while ago it was act like the good Asians.
Yea, structural racism doesn’t exist
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I put "act white" in quotes because it is the pejorative trope used by racist blacks or by black scholars who create theories such as Critical Race Theory to denigrate blacks who do the things that make it possible or make it easier to succeed in our American experiment. You know, those things that white folks always say you need to do--nuclear family, work ethic, good education, personal responsibility, and so forth. It is what's required for white folks to make their "privilege" work for them. So if you want some of that white privilege, "act white."

BTW, your slogan about privilege and equality doesn't quite hit the mark for CRTers. They're not so much about blacks achieving equality. They pretty much agree that legal equality has been achieved. But what has not occurred is equity. They're more about equity than equality. “Equity”, “social justice,” “diversity” and “inclusion.”

I didn't say that so-called "acting white" was "all" that was needed for black folks to succeed. I did mention that they, we, all need to be free to "act white" as it were. And that the role of government is to protect that freedom. The American experiment is about individual freedom and responsibility. The more we stray away from that and drift into needs for government enforced personal, societal, and racial equity, the more we become the dictatorship that you fear Trump would turn us into.

And yeah, if our Republic is structured in such a way as to require those personal values noted above characterized as "acting white" in order to succeed, and such "acting white" is racism, then, yeah, we have structural racism. And, yeah, there also exists a structural racism in black culture, or Asian culture. Guess it depends on which culture you wish to reside in--and on the law protecting your freedom to do so.

scottw 02-04-2022 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1221926)
I put "act white" in quotes because it is the pejorative trope .....

plagiarism pete doesn't use quotation marks or understand the various and obvious uses of them apparently ;) but boy, he can't wait to tell you how racist you are

Pete F. 02-04-2022 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1221931)
plagiarism pete doesn't use quotation marks or understand the various and obvious uses of them apparently ;) but boy, he can't wait to tell you how racist you are

I know, just think how unfortunate we all are to not have the advantage of being born black.
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