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Newell thanks, I've been cutting the bottom lip to the hole and sanding the back 1/8" or smaller to the bottom lip. So the wire loop was in the middle of the mouth, not above. I see what you are doing different and makes a more sence. I haven't swam any yet because the lake are all frozen yet. I'll be going to the shore this weekend though.

Jigman thanks again. I've made a couple that way too but it take me more time. I'll let both of you know haw they swimm soon.

This sight rocks. Thanks to all the guys here for us newys!

Kudos to you guys. Great expanation and great pics.
Tight Lines
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TT, the 3 on left darted good. The blue one on right with loop further out didn't do so good. With an aggressive retrieve it would roll out. The 3 with loop above mouth stayed right in there and couldn't be forced to roll out.