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Herold and Whitty Kruger (sp)
where a big influance on my early salt water fishing , rod and plug building. Dont have the time for it any more damn)(&)^%%
/ al

home again till the 16th or 17th.
when and where is the fling thing??

Rich Johnson, He's a Hall of Famer in his own mind.

The truly great don't need recognition in a fishing site's Hall of Fame. The choosing of the less obvious people is a pandoras box I think we would do better to avoid.

While its a thoughtful jesture at Stan's passing , I think it a bad idea overall.

bummer Saltheart

just another thing we don't agree on :)

I look at the potential in this project as more informative for many who seek knowledge of those who have come before us, and those who fish among us right now. To inform people of who these people are that so many speak of. I am at a meeting for MSBA the other night and I mention the passing of Stan Gibbs.....a couple guys older than me don't even know who Stan Gibbs is! Not that that is the point but if the information is available, I think it will make people a little more knowledgeable. That can't be a bad thing. I also would like to know more of the many people that I have seen listed here. Charlie Murat I have read several stories about him, but I do not know anything really substancial about this man....what were his trademark characteristics, what avenue of fishing did he excell in, what makes him so special or interesting that these many years after his death people still speak his name. There are many more names listed in this thread that I would love to have a source to go to and learn more about these fascinating people. Isn't that really the reason behind such "Halls of Fame" as they are called? To always remember the people, their accomplishments and their contributions to their chosen passion? I think this would be a huge reason to have such a "Forum of Fame", to educate many who come to this site to learn as many do.:uhuh:

exactly bigfish

don't make a big popularity contest make a creative, educational place where people can be bio'd and addendums and editing can occur. we can learn about history. I think a lot of us enjoy history

who votes them in ?

thats a tough one and I can see how Saltheart sees an issue brewing.

screw it. you have to be deceased. truly.

we can deal with........ :)

charlie moore is on right now and i can't trun the channel fast enough

he's babbling on about lake fishing (homo )

blahblahblahblahblahblahblah............:(

Carl was a mentor of mine, man did he like to fish!

He still does

We all have had mentors. That is one of the greatest thing about this sport. If you love this hobbie you allso like to share it with others.

Yes they were/are great people.
Yes they passed down and shared their knowledge.
Yes they were/are highly skilled.

However we need to draw a line. If we don't then Saltheart is right.

What was their overall contribution to the sport?
Was it to a few people, many, a certain area, or did they have an influence to saltwater fishing that effected the the whole sport overall?

My thoughts are that they had to of either of;
been an inovator that had great influence on the sport,
or had a great impact on legislation so that we can still have fish to catch and places to fish from.

I did not want to say anything but I agree with saltheart . Not that my opinion here is anymore important then anyone elses....I think we should pass on this HOF thing. We each know who the great ones are....

what about the educational aspects ?

should we pass on learning from people and their contributions ?

maybe it is just me. trying to make progress everyday.

The sharpies new better than anyone that it was perseverence and dedication that delivered the goods.

IMO many posts are personal raves attempting to define a statement or are good, light hearted fun.

statements need to be backed up with fact or corrections.

they work together.

some of the topics are incredibly boring on any of tese sites wit a lot of mudslinging involved.

A forum such as this (like my interest ina 4wd forum) create substantive topics and information to discuss

:)

I have to agree with Satheart and Sandman. I think naming it Hall of Fame is a bad idea. Any Hall of Fame you go to for any sport is strongly based on performance. In fishing you cannot judge performance like any other sport and there arises the problem. In striper fishing there is no batting average, homerun total or number of championships won. The entry requirements then become subjective to peoples opinions. Questions become Who are the "mentors"? , Who made "contributions"?, Who did you look up to? Who is a "great" fisherman? whose your buddy? etc... There is no way to judge the answers to these questions and to evaluate them fairly since everyone will have different opinions.

I would be more in favor of a historical memorial page. Writing about past history is something completely different and is worthy of documentation. It's also much more palatable than saying that someone is deserving of "fame and recognition".

Ed

so then let's just rename it ?

what's the big deal ?

What Ed suggests is what i think will work. A memorial section if you will where anyone can post a thread and info about anyone they want to remember and share memories about.

If you want to memorialize Gibbs for a big contribution to the sport , fine. if you want to memorialize your Uncle who took you fishing as a boy eben though he didn't fish himself , that's fine too. Like the 10X10 section only for anyone who has someone who wants to post about them.

now you are on the right track

this wouldn't be cooperstown it would S-B memorial page.

No big deal to get in but hopefully not a lot of BS either

:)

Point well made, Ed. The tall, quiet stranger steps outta the shadows with yet another cogent comment. :btu:

That's pretty much what I meant about stories or anecdotes in regards to those who were listed, done in the tradition of an oral history. But honestly, I gotta tell ya that I didn't think that John just proposing an HOF would lead to a provincial pi$$ing contest over who was in or out right off the bat. I think all of us agree that we can probably do without that here, that sort of crap is what keeps me away from the other sites of late. Ya know, I mean, WTF.

Yup, Ed, you're right, sort of the cyber version of the Fisherman's Memorial at Brenton Point. It would be a great project for all of us, whether we contributed to the collection or just simply spent time going through the archives on cold winter nights.

Ed B is right.

But what kind of memorial…… page, forum, or both?
A page would be more permanent, and still be there years down the line, and not get archived or buried under a ton of other submissions.
A forum would allow submissions of great articles and build a collection.
Or both, a page on Mr. Stan Gibbs, and start a memorial forum for every one else.

Or have we opened up a Pandora’s box, and maybe just forget it.

Tough call for the webmaster.

Is this a dead issue or still under consideration?:confused:

dead, hmm.

probably. maybe I had something to do with it. no scrub gonna influence a new page on this site :)

Still under consideration. A few people brought it to my attention and wanted me to float it for people's coments, questions, and discussion.

Personally, I'm uncomfortable with "selecting" or helping to select the who's who and deserving of a HOF. Sure some people are easy to chose and there would be little disagreement but others still deserving might not make it for whatever reason.

Also, while S-B can certainly contribute and prod "it" along, it must be something more than what S-B thinks to lend it some kind of legitimacy. Sure, we can add a "memorial page", no problem at all. But I feel it should be something beyond just S-B. Thoughts? Comments?

have a poll. start with the (in)famous.
Maybe explain that it would be done in segments.

I can see how you fear this but some of you folks have the experience to be prudent.

personally I don't think a living person should be on it. decreases the numbers you have to consider.

but i am a scrub you see :) :laughs: :laughs: :)

Plenty of people have opinions about those who are or who are not in some of the "other" Halls of Fame, baseball and so on. You are always going to have controversey and opinion one way or the other. I have stated it before in prior posts, more than anything it should be informative and educational to all those who visit the site. I for one would very much like to know about all of the great fisherman who came before me and "blazed the trail". Stan Gibbs is a person who I very much would like to know more about.....just a "regular joe" just like you and me, who loved to fish and made a few contributions (whether they be large or small). That is all these people are....just regular everyday people who put their pants on one leg at a time who shared the same passion that we all have....."fishing"! Can't anybody see that???!!!! These folks do not need to be "glorified" by this site! They simply should be remembered.....remembered for the notoriety they achieved through their passion to fish. What some would call "fame" for these people is simply regional. These people, many of them, are not known outside of the Striper Coast really.....they are treasures of our own way of life, people who worked hard and fished hard. To them fishing was important, just as it is to us, so shouldn't this just be a way to pay tribute in some way, be it a small way but a tribute just the same? My .02 cents.....I think I have already chipped in about .16 cents worth, but I truely believe in this so lets give it a go folks.:wave:

I am with BigFish and beach walker;
informative and educational,
remembered,
not glorified,
oh yah, and in the big fishing hole in the sky.

Select a baker’s dozen or so of non-scrub senior members for a panel.
Come up with criteria.
Then create an avenue for submissions.

By the way, what’s a scrub? (Not insulted, just curios.):pop:

I believe it is another word for a jacka$$ (Not talking about you Beachwalker) am I right?:huh:

rookie member

Ron @ the sm den used 2 call me the rookie;)
now I'm a rookie here 2 beach:laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

Okey dokey......well, here goes nuttin'...:D:

Since we can probably at least agree on who should be on a nominating committee, let me be the first to stick my head outta the foxhole and start a list of who might be considered for considering who might be in a HOF perhaps here or somewhere else.

I'll leave it to you to figure out why I really chose who I did and my personal choices on the nominating committee are listed in no particular order. They are friends in some cases and in others, people I know only by virtue of online discusions at S-B.com. In all cases they're people who haven't yet set off my BS Detector and whose opinions I value. Being that we all hang out here, my only criterion was that they are S-B members. Most all are senior officers, as I see it.

JohnR, in my opinion, should be left to his usual position of moderator/referee/bouncer. Marquis of Queensbury rules, gentlemen, no hitting below the belt, no rabbit punching in the clinches and make a clean break when so instructed by the ref.

:smash: :fishslap: :smash: :fishslap: :smash:

DISCLAIMER: I just woke up from a pasta induced power nap after dinner and I'm still a little fuzzy, so gimme a break. Please address all references to my half-assed ideas, my personal habits or the manliness of my performance in the surf or elsewhere to my PM box (as well as any comments you may have on the marital status of my forbears or the depth of the gene pool I came from) so as not to impede the progress of the nominating process.
All correspondance will be answered on a first-come-first-serve basis.

So, howzabouts:

DZ
Ed B
Flaptail
Al Goldberg
Mike P
Crazy Alberto
striprman
Capesams
vineyardblues
Slipknot
Fish_Eye
Habs
Joe

I can add a few more and probably will after my coffee is done brewing.

Just thought it might be a way to get the ball rolling on the HOF nominating committee and initiate a spirited discussion to while away the winter doldrums.

:hidin:

Anyone else have a personal list?

Outstanding. :claps:

I know DZ. Have not had the pleasure of meeting the rest. But if they are all of the same caliber thats one heck of a panel.

I think Crafty's post shows exactly why this whole thing is a bad idea.

His list of ten of S-B's "senior officers" includes 5 guys who don't even have 100 posts under their belt here. 4 are less than 50 and 3 don't even have 30 posts.

Give me a break! :smash:

Its exactly this type of potential selection and more importantly exclusion to both the HOF and the now proposed "Selection Committee" that will lead to the trouble I'm calling Pandoras Box and exactly what we don't need here at S-B.

Can all the HOFamers have bobblehead dolls made in their likeness too. Just because guys have their pictures in magazines and write articles or happen to get a big fish or two does'nt make them better than you or me. I personally know a handful of guys from Newport to Narragansett that are otstanding fisherman that maybe a few of the people on this board might know and the others would say , who? Putting people in a HOF is a popularity contest. The only things that should be in a fishing HOF are the monsters that get caught.