Lap,
My point to Eben is to go with the L, if he doesn't like it he can make it an M by taking off some tip. If you start with the M you can't go the other way. I know you can throw small stuff with the M, (I can throw 1/2 ounce plugs with a boat rod,) it's efficiency that I'm looking for, an all around stick in the 10 foot range. There's a reason lami made an L and an M - for different applications. I've fished a long time in the surf and do a lot of the type of fishing that Eben likes, I just want him to make an informed decision.
DZ

Just curious, does it void the warranty on Lami blanks to cut them?

-spence

awe shucks you guys are giving me great advice! DZ, how ya been? you catch anything with that green needle yet?:D

Last nigt I thought long and hard about what i want and I still come back to spinning.. so I htink i'm going to hunt for a black VS 250 to throw on it.. My builder has also told me that the guides i have on my batson are 30% heavier than another kind of guides so I'm going to use those... Nib, trust me, if you saw what I did all day for work you would know that i can lift a fishing pole so while weight isnt that big of a deal, it does help...

Its lookng like I'm going to go with the 1201m in spinning....all black with a scup sticker above the upper cork grip :D

hopefully i can get this built before I go to BI for a week in October:humpty:

What's the other kind? Chrome Perfection :laughs: :laughs: :smash:

-spence

If I could only have one 10' it would be the 1201L. It is the most versatile rod I own. I would not characterize it as whippy but I would not regularly throw 4 to 5oz with it either.

scup rods use foam. i thought you would have known that from all your other rods. :eek:

You should use 2 decals, a scup chasing a striper :laughs:

My two cents. I have a GSB 132 1L cut up from the bottom 12 in. This makes it heavier than the 10ft stock. Throwing big eels and 3oz plugs isnot a problem, with a spinning set up.By the way,this rod has a med. soft action.

although the 1201L is a nice, versatile blank, it's far from being able to throw plugs over 3 ozs. i would never throw over 3 w/ mine. you are asking for trouble. it sounds like you plan on throwing over 3 ounces, so the 1201m might be a better option. if you plan on throwing plugs over 4 ounces, such as giant jointed pikies, you better learn to throw a casting rod and nothing is better than glass there. lami sb1213m is a good choice. the 1208-type blanks from many of the manufacturers are nice blanks, but not the best for heavy plugs in their stock length.

...and a damn good choice it is. Set up as a conventional you can really lay into it when throwing eels and not have them fly off, and it has enough back bone to land just about anything your going to hook in these parts.

For spinning......Arra 1205 hands down, but then again I dont fish alot of small plugs.

In my experience,
Arra = Fragile... but then again I'm not gentle (not that I'm implying you are light on your tackle mike...) heard you boys found some fish before the storm.... :D

scupper!

I've also found that cutting an 11' GSB L or M blank a foot from the butt makes for a stiffer rod than the stock 10' equivalent blank. My 132 1M cut a foot from the butt will snap my 120 1M in a tug of war, I suspect.

I really like the 1213m, but I couldn't see casting it all night. How often do I throw a plug the 1205 can't cast? Not that often...

-spence

that is a sick rod! i threw that thing all last weekend. nothing like a glass rod, a big conventional, and 30# mono to whoop some bass! i like being able to lift a 20# bass straight out of the water with the rod, too. it really helps in nasty surf!

i have an11 foot glass lami... its one of the honey blanks... i dont know the #'s on it..... the thing is a bazooka, and i cant use braid on it, if I do, the braid always seems to wrap around the guides while I cast due to the pole moving around like a CB antenna...great rod though... maybe I'll cut that one down this winter to 10 ft and teach myself to wrap.... i was going to sell it this fall anyway as i rarely use it.

As good as the 11' honey Lamis are for whipping fish, they can't hold a candle to the 121 3M. Last time I used mine for chinking in the Canal, I got a few "wow, I can't believe you got that fish in so quick out of that current" from the guys fishing next to me". The 121 isn't a 136 3M missing a foot of butt--it's a whole different rod (size 14 tip as opposed to a 12 on the 136) and a smaller butt diameter. Much stiffer, and it shouldn't oscillate as much on the cast and cause braid to wrap around the guide fett if you go spinning with it.

The other killer Ditch rod I have is an old S-glass 2F that was cut 10" from the tip. Light as a feather and I've brought 30 pounders to the rocks inside of 5 minutes. Put a Newell 235 or 229 on it and you can fish it all night without feeling it in your joints.

I also have the 1208 All Star. I've never felt it was overmatched casting 4 oz jigs, but lifting them off the bottom in 40' of water makes it "weep" a little too much for my liking. It should be fine for tossing 3 oz plugs tho, and it's substantially cheaper than a 120 1M or an XRA 1205. I agree that the Batson SW 1208 might not be ideal for big plugs, but the SU version should do it without breaking a sweat.

Sorry in advance....
 

I just can't help myself......

Mike P,

I've never been chinking in the canal before, can you please advise a good shop where I can pick up some chinamen?

Thanks a million

Zac (d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g)

:laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs: :laughs:

china town in boston

:laughs: :o :bl2: :jump1: :uhoh:

Eben, I'd make sure you cut the foot off the tip...should cut down on that flex problem :smash:

1213m is great. Throws bait, jigs, big wood, snakes and pole vaulting to that far away rock :uhoh:

-spence

I have a 121 3m I use for jiggin here in NJ can't explain what it is bout this rod but i love it it can whip a fish in no time an the parabolic nature of the glass keeps the hooks in the fish better.Just wish it would cast further.one spot i use 2-3 oz.bucktails an the rod kinda folds while casting my 11' grafite goes the extra 30 yds.What blank can i get to 11 ft to handle this weight an cast further.........I don't plan on chinking with this rod as I am mostly a lure guy.:D

Ok guys

I am starting to do some research myself into expanding the weaponry this winter....

I currently have the...

Amtac 1209 Spinning (custom)(Heavy Plugs & Jigs)
XSRA 1204-2 Spinning (factory)(Eeels & light stuff on the beaches)
XRA 1205 Conv (custom)(Using for everything as I luv ut bad)

Have been thingking the XRA 126 Conv....but now you guys have me thinking

What is next in the arsenal???

What is the true difference between the 1201M & the 1213

any advice is appreciated

btw...I am building these myself...at least trying

I have a bsb1213m also NIB, it's my backup canal jigging stick, and my only 10' plugging spinning rod. I love it but it is heavy.

Go build a cabinet. :D u need another rod.U need CS to build u a 1322 asap.

patrick I have a XRA-1084 and its the sweetest 9 footer i've ever used for light plugging... seems like you got the heavy stuff covered-

I think the 1213m is closer to the 126 than the 120m, at least when I bought a 1213m that's what I was comparing it to. Unless you plan to toss heavier jigs or some bait I would think the 1205 would do most everything else.

-spence

patrick - gsb1201m is graphite. sb1213m is glass. that's the big difference. price is the next.

spece - what's wrong w/ perfection wire guides? i have them on my glass spin rod and would do it again. they work perfect for mono. i can drop my rod, smash it on things and i won't need to worry about breaking a ceramic ring. i would not use braid on it, as that's not its purpose. i won't chip the chrome finish ever on those guides. mildrum's chrome chipped very easily and are junk. if you fish braid, then go w/ ceramics for sure.

Eben 1213M= HEAVY but, If you have strong arms it is THE rod. Casts so slow and sweet you can hardly backlash. Ask Throwing Timber, He learned how to cast conventional on mine and was throwin faaaar after about 10 minutes.:D

Hey Longshot... thanks for the words there but it was Basic Patrick that was asking about that blank...I'm going with the GSB1021M... cant wait to try it out!

Who here uses an Allstar 1208?? good jigging rod no?? stiffer than a batson 1208? If you have an Allstar 1208 and a GSB1201M, how would you compare them?? I might pick up one of those too:devil: