Haliburton runs the snowmobile concession in Yellowstone.:rolleyes:

I got my newest issue of fly fihing in saltwater magizine and they have been doing profiles on Kerry and Bushs stances on the envirment and fisheries and such. This issue had the Kerry profile and i did not realize he has BIG ties to the commercial fishing industry here in MA. This seemed to be the biggest concern about Kerry in the authors article. Just something to keep in mind Eben....while Kerry may have the edge reagridng envirment issues...I think Kerry could be affecting your SB populataion more than Bushs policies. Just look on the Web maybe they have these artices posted somewere. Def some intersting stuff on both candidates. For me this election is not about some stupid fish and who will be better managing them...For me its about keeping our country safe and i hope this is the main issue for most in these times we are in. Protect the country and its people first....The fish should not be at the top of anyones vote this election if you ask me:smash:

G.W.B said that OBL was "not a concern"
If that is your idea of keeping this country safe then vote for him. He can continue chasing his daddys ghosts in iraq because clearly OBL is not a threat....

Oh, wait.. check todays news.

Skip my problem with the current administration is that they are trying to keep us scared as well as safe. You cant argue that the orange alert terror threats were a ploy at scare tactics, and every allert ended up being a hoax. Its my feelings that we need a president that will keep the country safe, but do it quietly. Not hijack the focus of every american for a week because a muslim in new mexico bought too much fertilizer for his farm... This country needs to 'move on' in a prouder direction and leave all this fear, anger, and revenge behind. I could go on and on about the mistakes GWB has made, but thats not the point. We need to change course and while I agree JK is not the perfect candidate, he is the lesser of 2 evils

Think again:

And lesser by a long shot Eben. I'm completely convinced that Bush is the most arrogant, reckless and potentially corrupt president this country has ever seen. I really hope we don't have to suffer through another 4 years of this inept and self-serving Administration.

It's amazing that people buy into stupid BS like the Kerry image above, without recognizing the litany of lies from the Bush Admin that have caused our country great harm.

And I am still a registered Republican, there's hope...

-spence

Are you saying that the administration shouldn't raise the threat levels? Maybe we should just go back to pre-9/11 thinking and forget about fixing our intel and drop the entire Homeland Security Department.

OBL isn't dead, but he hasn't done anything in 3 years, this fact reveals more work by the current administration than most Americans understand. It also makes the country blasé to threats that still exist. We are currently engaged in a world wide battle against a covert enemy. There are wins and loses in this battle. Our country has not been hit again, this indicates we are winning.

Could you imagine watching Operation Overlord on live TV. How would America deal with that? We would have have pulled out of WWII and you would now be typing in German.

You watch the news and they talk about 300,000 lbs of explosives that are missing in Iraq. Give me a break, they started with about 300 billion pounds. This is about as significant as Bill Gates donating $5 to charity.

A threat still exist and it needs the attention of everyone. Our current administration has done an awesome job. Don't even think that the warning levels are raised for a political purpose, that is done with the purpose of warning the first responders, security forces and the American public. To not follow this protocal would be derelict.

Just like on south park, we have a choice between a douche bag, and a turd sandwhich:D

He then sent our troops, and my friends, into Iraq.
That maneuver has become OBL's greatest recvruitment tool ever.
He proceded to ignore Korea and Iran.
The next president will have to have nerves of steel and be able to speak diplomaticly with the countries of the world to unite and keep the nukes under control.

GWB is a cowboy who said to hell with the rest of the world when he went on his Crusades into Iraq.
They were with us when we went after OBL in Afghanistan but were correct to say no-way when W went hunting saddam in iraq.

He lied and distorted what little intelligence we had on Sadam. Kerry using the information presented, agreed initialy to what was going down in the middle east. Then, when presented with more info, said he would not fund W's little revenge party.

This is not "flip-flopping" this is taking into account new information and reacting accordingly. GWB is not smart enough to comprehend what little facts he already has never mind make intelligent choices when faced with changing circumstances.

Remember his stalled deer in headlights reaction in the kindergarten on 9/11?

Hell, even my 14 yr old watching the debates could not understand why anyone would vote for the man.
"He is a complete and total moron."
" He wont answer any questions."
" All he does is repeat his little sayings."

I dont miss any of this garbage. Can't any of you follow a little simple thing John R told you not to do? Do you love to hear yourselves ramble that much? Cut out the B vs K talk!
Its sad that people that cannot even follow a simple rule have a right to vote.
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Just found out that Theo Epstein worked on the Howard Dean election commitee:eek: :eek: :smash:

Sadly it is a very conentious issue right now. It's also sad that there is not a candidate sufficiently unifying that would bring large leagues of people to cross party affiliations and bring this country together.

Who could possibly do something like that?

Collin Powel?

Rudy Gulliani?

(John Mccain may have done it if his greater exposure had occured more before his failed bid for office)...

McCain would have gone a long way. I'm not sure Rudy could really do it. Rudy has a mystique about him and he's a good speaker, but 9/11 aside he really doesn't offer much substance.

-spence

I think you're off base there. Rudy was a temendous mayor who brought major changes to NYC. He instituted welfare reform and brought about effective policing that reduced the crime rate to the extent that NY is now the safest big city in the US. Above all else, he was a hands-on guy who directed the course of the city rather than a guy who "managed" by consensus. The mayor of NYC probably has more power than any other elected official in the country, and he used that power to make positive changes.

As President, having to play nice with the other kids, maybe his "my way or the highway" philosophy would be a shortcoming, but to say he has no substance is wrong. Someone who has been the mayor of a city of 7 million people---more than the population of most US states---is certainly more qualified than, say, a member of Congress or the governor of a small, rural state to be President.

He also has crossover appeal. He'd appeal to Republicans on foreign policy and defense issues, he'd be a fiscal conservative, but he's very liberal on social issues--pro-choice and pro-gay rights.

"Hillary- 2008"




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seriously, i totally agree with John R. we hae two candidates who are polar extremes of eachother. Where is the middleground?

There is no middle ground in tough times. Tough decisions need to be made, the stakes are higher.

No middle ground :smash: That's what's wrong with politics today. I lost respect for Rudy watching him campaign for Bush...the electorate shouldn't be forced to extremes by divisive politics. The facts are there is more than one way to deal with tough issues, and Americans will reflect that.

-spence

SPence, I agree that there is more than one way to deal with tough issues, but no matter how you do it, the country will be divided. I have driven across the USA four times. I lived my childhood in CT, my adolosence in RI, I live in San Francisco for 6 years and now Mass. The country is made up of vastly different ideals. SF might as well be a different country than Dallas Tx.
When the stakes are high, emotions are high and thus it appears that we are divided.

McCain has campaigned longer than Rudy for Bush and has more reason to dislike the guy personally after all the crap they threw at him in South Carolina in 2000.

McCain campaigns for Bus#, but when interviewed he's clearly a closet Kerry supporter :D I'd much rather vote for a moderate Republican, but there isn't one on the ticket ;)

I don't think Rudy's a bad guy, I just think there is an image of him that's greater than what he is. He certainly did make a positive impact on New York for many, but you can't lock up all the bums nationwide. Perhaps I just don't like how he's embraced the Bush propaganda machine so much. I liked him much better before he started stumping :laughs:

-spence