Fishsmith, I am gonna guess that you are a 20-something and never saw a truely great pitcher in action.....Ryan, Hunter, Palmer, Sutton, Carlton, the list goes on and I don't have time to continue....but Pedro could not carry the jock of any of these guys I named and many more I didn't (due to lack of time);)

So how old are you?:D

34 so at 5yrs old Fisk hit the homer, I remember the re-runs, but '86 was the first real pain I endured, and got to see Clemens in stage 1 of his career. But I believe Pedro can stand right next to the guys you listed. I'll get some stats together, but right now my 6yr old is screaming 'daddy won't listen to me', so I've got to go.

He ain't in the same league as Clemens I can tell you that! (No pun intended...seein' as how they are both in the NL now!:laughs: ) Pedro is tailing off as he gets older...Clemens just got better, more wiley!:D

I saw them all. Ryan, Palmer and Lefty were far superior to Pedro. I think he's better than Sutton. Catfish---close. Three rings with the As and his years with the Yankees didn't hurt his HOF chances. Pedro played on lousy teams until he came to the Sox.

I agree Mike...better than Sutton but Pedro will never win 300+ games!

Me likey Catfish Hunter....he was a true pitcher. RIP ;)

By the way...we are talking about guys who would have 15-20 complete games a year! Not like today where they have a whopping 2 or 3!:smash:

Bigfish I do not know how you can make a statement like that. I believe Pedro is 1st or 2nd in career ERA, right next to Koufax and he is also in the top couple in win %. I am not old enough to see all the great pitchers but there is no doubt he is one of the great pitchers of all time and will be a first ballot hall of famer. Look at these stats.SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
1992 Los Angeles Dodgers 0 1 2.25 2 1 0 0 0 --- 8.0 6 2 2 0 0 1 8
1993 Los Angeles Dodgers 10 5 2.61 65 2 0 0 2 --- 107.0 76 34 31 5 4 57 119
1994 Montreal Expos 11 5 3.42 24 23 1 1 1 --- 144.2 115 58 55 11 11 45 142
1995 Montreal Expos 14 10 3.51 30 30 2 2 0 --- 194.2 158 79 76 21 11 66 174
1996 Montreal Expos 13 10 3.70 33 33 4 1 0 --- 216.2 189 100 89 19 3 70 222
1997 Montreal Expos 17 8 1.90 31 31 13 4 0 --- 241.1 158 65 51 16 9 67 305
1998 Boston Red Sox 19 7 2.89 33 33 3 2 0 --- 233.2 188 82 75 26 8 67 251
1999 Boston Red Sox 23 4 2.07 31 29 5 1 0 0 213.1 160 56 49 9 9 37 313
2000 Boston Red Sox 18 6 1.74 29 29 7 4 0 0 217.0 128 44 42 17 14 32 284
2001 Boston Red Sox 7 3 2.39 18 18 1 0 0 0 116.2 84 33 31 5 6 25 163
2002 Boston Red Sox 20 4 2.26 30 30 2 0 0 0 199.1 144 62 50 13 15 40 239
2003 Boston Red Sox 14 4 2.22 29 29 3 0 0 0 186.2 147 52 46 7 9 47 206
2004 Boston Red Sox 16 9 3.90 33 33 1 1 0 0 217.0 193 99 94 26 16 61 227

Career Totals 182 76 2.71 388 321 42 16 3 --- 2296.0 1746 766 691 175 115 615 2653

Era 1997 1.90
1998 2.89
1999 2.07
2000 1.74
2001 2.39
2002 2.26
2003 2.22

Say what you want about Pedro but these seven seasons in a row are some of the most impressive stats you will ever see.