"I never implied that we should give Osama a hug and a slap on the wrist, now your talking people specifically guilty of killing americans, I'm talking profiling, not justice for those that acted against america..."


Your right I stand corrected....I was on a role and got carried away:D

"Kinda like the Nips shortly after they bombed Pearl Harbor. [/B][/QUOTE]
He said "NIPS"....You damn racsist pig!:laughs:

i despise the Japs as does most of my family.

they deserved to be nuked TWICE.

f*ck 'em.

"Pulling someone out of a crowd Because they are not a "40 Year Old White Guy" is a form of racism.....is it not. Pretty much the same as making somebody go to the back of the bus for the same reason."

There is a BIG differnce between the two...we KNOW there are muslims who want us dead and will do anything to make that happend and we are looking at them because the radicals have occomplished that and killed many Americans so you can see why we would take a second look. They do look a certain way so what the hell are we gonna do to not take a second look!?...The Blacks never harmed us so we had no reason to do what we did to them...That was 100% racism no question. I just dont know how you can put the two together. We have a good reason to take a second look at muslims becuase of what the radicals are doing to us now....I dont recall the blacks ever harming us or give us any reason to look at them more closely.

No matter what reasons you have behind it, singling someone out because of the color of there skin IS Racist......thats the bottom line, thats the Definition of racism.

And I said that, I, Me, Personally don't think that profiling is a good thing. I don't know how anyone can look at someone and say "He looks like a Radical".

What if they kept pulling you out for a drug test at work Month after Month because your a "Young White Guy" that looks like he uses drugs but never grabs the 50-something guy that actually does spark one up every morning before work...doubt that would make to many people happy.

"What if they kept pulling you out for a drug test at work Month after Month because your a "long haired White Guy" that looks like he uses drugs "
hey I resemble that remark ! Im profiled all the time . everytime a cop gets near my truck window you can hear him sniffing . they must have colds . My father ( state cop ) told me before 1975 that with the length of my hair that I should expect some degree of harassment and I get plenty .

sure I have long hair but what does that really mean ? Im a drug addict ? NO ! just a piece of camel dung infested with dung beetles .

Then you qualify to answer these questions "Do you think its right for them to do that to you" and "Do you like it"

....and I don't think your a piece of Camel Dung.....hippy :D

No
No but have lots of fun cracking their stones sometimes
oh but I am ! LOL

HATE is the last thing my girls would ever learn from me . I dont condone stereo typing but I understand it . there are a lot of bad people in all races , religeons , organizations and jails . LOL

oh no see you stereo typed me Im not a hippy ( I shower regualrly ) LOL

see everyone how easy it is to stereo type someone ! LOL

Profiling is one of the necessary evils in todays society.

ex..... 4 arabic men between the age of 18-40 board a 9 am flight with no carry-on luggage. They wisk through security don't say a word and are seated at the front of the airplane. You in turn are standing behind a curtain with your belt and shoes off getting the "wand" as they board the plane unscathed.

This scenario would make everybody uneasy, if you say anything different, you are a liar. Why does it make you uneasy? Because in your own mind YOU are profiling. You know those men fit the profile of the individuals who have caused so much harm to our country over the last few years/decades. Some people just don't want such a policy put into writing, however they want to be encased in the security that such a policy provides. Lets face it, we are living in a "post 9-11" terrorism era. It is not going to stop or lessen. We have to be vigilant. If that means that certain groups of people receive a lesser expectation of privacy so be it.

My two cents. In general I don't approve of racial profiling, but in some cases the unease with profiling (note that I'm not talking about discrimination) just makes good sense. If your the police looking for a young white male who jusy murdered his girlfriend what sense would it make to leave out his race in the APB, just to have Blacks and asians looked at as potntial suspects? Subsitute black or asian in that last question and you get the same answer.
Suspicion because of age and race is not the same as discrimination in other things where it simply isn't warranted. Plus it should not be used as the sole criteria. The guy padilla that they caught in a bombing plot was hispanic.

i think tax attorneys who relocate to RI outta be strung up by their Penn Int'ls. :hihi:

Bronko well said:)

WW,
Wattsa matter, jealous? :smash:

A very, very, very dangerous statement.

When you check in for a flight, do they ask you what your religion is? How many nationalities do you think would have a higher potential for spawning terrorists? 50? 100?

Can you personally tell the difference between a Pakastani and a Sikh?

The burden to determine if someone's rights should be lessened should always be their behavior, not race or religion.

Freaking out over a group of Arab men on the plane may be perfectly natural after 9/11, but it's still a racist behavior that needs to be checked. Otherwise it can lead to very bad things.

-spence

I knew eventually I'd see the ACLU in you Spence.;) Tough subject all around. Just posting my two cents.

Thats exactly how it should be looked at.

In that statement there the determining factor why they should be questioned shouldn't be because they are 4 Arabic men.....it should be that they are 4 men boarding a cross-country flight w/ NO luggage.

Everybody is going to give people of middle-eastern descent a second look because of 911, thats just human nature. And a second look isn't the same as singling someone out of a crowd,stopping them and searching them because of it.

The key is to try and not make it an acceptable practice. Once we say its OK, as a society, to look at this guy w/ suspicion because of the color of his skin then thats a real problem.

Wow... this thread has taken on a life of it's own... good thread and I'm glad it has stayed apolitical, as it is a non-political issue IMHO

I think everyone has expressed their views well, and whether you argree with me or not you all make valid points. As stated before I AM guilty of looking twice and thinking bad thoughts, less now than right after 9/11, but with all of the different nationalities featured as suspects recently, valid threats or not, we should be looking at actions not color, as mentioned earlier...

Anytime you define someones intent based on color or religion, it is a dangerous precident...

How quickly we forget and latch onto one group with others around and passed such as:

David Koresh
Embassy bombings all over the world
Terry Nichols & Timothy McVeigh
Heaven's Gate
Klu Klux Klan
Michigan Militia (although im sure they're half of your heros)
Neo Nazis
The WHITE AMERICAN who was caught by the CIA in Afghanistan supporting Al Qaeda.
Earth Liberation Front (The people who burn stuff.)

(I'm sure if I thought about it more I could list probably 50 more groups around this country which would be considered 'terrorist' groups.)

All of these groups and people are considered "extremists"
Half of which do so for religious reasons or use religious reasoning.
Most of them are white.
Most have commited what would be considered now "terrorist acts".


And as far as profiling at airports....
Who gives a damn?
You don't know what they're looking for, they WON'T tell you what they're looking for and for good reason.

Half of the replies in this thread are bigoted and are the EXACT reason half the world hates the US right now (other than foreign policy).
They're not jealous
They don't wish they were like us.
They just think we're a bunch of idiots for letting what is going on today continue.