maybe when I take you fishing for bass and I outfish you :bshake:

I'm so happy I'm staying out of this. ;)

Stupid comments like that are really incredible. Do you have any sense at all? Do you know how many soldiers died in Vietnam? Do you know how many have died in Iraq? If you did, you would not write something as stupid as the quote above. Wow.:smash: :af:

Care to articulate? I don't think you understood what I was saying :read:

-spence

You guys crack me up. Bunch of pessimistic whine bags,"we shouldn't be there, our government is all wrong, our policies suck, another vietnam, we're all doomed" waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.:crying: Listen folks, its simple. Would you rather drive your 4x4 to go fishing or work or would you rather take your daughters tricycle? Do you like to vacation once in awhile, furthur than your own neighborhood? How about visiting relatives, maybe fly somewhere, maybe someplace warm in the winter. Speaking of winter, what heats you home? I know I know... Lets give up the oil and cut all the trees down and heat ourselves with that. But wait, without fuel, how do I get my firewood home. Ah, my horse and buggy? Hell, we don't need cars, we can walk to the market to do our groceries, we don't need to spend countless hours and countless tanks of gas to go fishing or hunting or traveling with our loved ones to some exotic place. We can just stay home forever. Why waste the fuel. Hell, we don't need it! We can just crawl into our caves, burn sticks and eat grocery meats and fish and be happy forever. We don't need goods, hell it cost money(fuel) to get this stuff back and forth. Its a waste! Let the middle east have all to themselves, afterall, they're going to destabilize the world markets anyways because they're just a bunch of you-know-whats. Yes folks, its about the oil and keeping the world markets stable. I've got good friends who are fighting and working in Iraq and Afganistan and they are proud to there, they(99%) agree with our countries policy and they see themselves as making a difference. If the policies were decided and implememted by some of you whinebags, then we truly could revert back to our caves.

Here is a picture of kids in a rebuilt mud school in southern Iraq. I hope peace comes for their sake:

Better to be a pessamistic whine bag than allow myself to be spoonfed a bowl of bullshyte and smile like it's ice cream :rolleyes:

-spence

Hey Outfished.. I hope you sleep well at night knowing that hundreds of american soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi's died so you could save some $$ at the gas station.

Did somebody call for an f-bomb?

I've got a daisy cutter of an f-bomb to drop. :devil:

Spence may be a "poser".....but I agree with him!;) Pass the chocolate sauce and whip cream please....this ice cream tastes funny!:rolleyes:

Pessimism is a key ingredient of defeat

Anyone have a family member or a friend over there?
I've got a nephew in the Marines over there.
Every time we hear about a soldiers death or another helicopter crash, we hold our breath wondering:mad:

My sons best friend is over there...Hope all is well...Another friend just got home..The stories he has told just makes you go :rolleyes: I hope they all come home safe..
BF..Did I say anyone had said that??:smash:

Nothing pisses me off more than the notion that we sent our best men and women to war for political reasons, underequiped and without a plan to secure the country :af:

The reason so many people sound so pessamistic is that blind and reckless optimisim is what got us into this mess. Mistakes should be noted and corrected.Those who screwed up should be held to account, not given medals and promotions.

The same bunch of arrogant, incompetent fools that botched Iraq are now planning more actions. And you want me to be optimistic :confused:

Everybody wants the troops home safe, but this is no reason to brush aside very real problems with this Administration.

-spence

Has anyone else noticed that when something big is happening in the world like today's news about the Iraqi election, the B ush administration sneeks something domestic under the radar?? today they anounced they are cutting back on Pell grants.. I am outraged about this. :af:


Iraq...the grand distraction in the fleecing of the american society

I think I "articulated" exactly what I intended. You made a stupid comment comparing Iraq to Vietman and I called you on it. Pretty simple huh?

There are numerous similarities between Iraq and Vietnam. This is not to say that Iraq is Vietnam, but that a mountain of "lessons learned" are not being leveraged.

If you're unable to grasp any similarities, I'd say you're not qualified to label my comment as "stupid". Perhaps you could provide some additional detail to bolster your credibility.

-spence

How about # of deaths? Type of combat? Conditions of the country involved? All make Iraq and Vietnam worlds apart and totally dis-similar.

Cod Hunter....seems like you are doing more "head hunting" than anything else on this thread. Spence simply made a parallel comparison to the Governmental interests in the Iraq situaion and the Vietnam situation. He was not comparing loss of life, type of combat or the condition of the countries! As far as peoples opinions here....they are just that, like them or not! One thing I learned a long time ago was if you want your opinion respected by others, you have to learn to respect the opinions of others! You don't have to agree with them, and you don't need to jump in here and start tearing someone down because they have an opinion.:mad:

Spence also did not know you had the market cornered on sympathies regarding the Vietnam War! You seem like an intelligent guy, talk to Spence about the differences between the two and shed some light from what you may know, feel or have experienced.;)

Not tearing anyone down BF. He compared Iraq to Vietnam. then tried to justify it. My opinion is that is one of the silliest things I have ever read. I believe he is just using that ridiculous comparison to take a shot at our President. That's my opinion.

Fair enough Cod Hunter.;) However, I don't believe he was comparing the catastrophic numbers of dead and wounded from the Vietnam War with the numbers from this conflict. Lets all agree to hope that it does end soon. You would think by now, mankind would have figured out what a waste war is!:smash:

I tell you though, sometimes we can't even have a discussion on this site without someone drawing down on someone else.:laughs:

they found oils in new hampshire . some guy was smoking it

BF, I certainly agree, and hope and pray, that it ends soon and that all of our soldiers return home safely.

Everybody want's the mission complete and our troops home asap.

My comment was specifically in context with funding for Iraq. There's going to come a time when Congress is going to say "no more". Eventually we will be asked to leave, and if Iraq doesn't have the full ability to finance and provide security, the country will fall apart. Given how things have gone so far, Iraq is a very long way from providing adequate security.

And Cod, I don't need to take cheap shots at Buhs. He's running a terrible Administration, there's plenty of substance to attack :af:

-spence

Whats that Saying "Nobody appreciates peace more than a Soldier"

tell that to the millions of chinese massacered by the japanese in the 30's and 40's, the millions of Jews and gypsies massacared by the Nazis. Without war, the suffering would have continued. Mankind will never live in peace, we are not peacful creatures, we all want the best for our familes and loved ones and the best of things is limited thus we kill for them.

I'll make one comment on the Iraq elections, you all say the Irauqi's need to "want" a democratic socitey. Well, despite threats of violence, these people, men and women had the courage to actually go out there and vote, millions of them!. Some of them were killed for trying. How many lazy Americans would die trying to vote? Did the Japanese post WW2 want a democratic socitey? Germans? No, it was thrust upon them and now look, they are key US partners and live in thriving nations. Growth is painful, lets hope SPence and others are wrong and this country can grow and thrive with a free people.

they captured cody
 

he's an action figure doll....and he wants to live....

heres the picture:

Whether you approve or disapprove of our involvement in Iraq, take 2 minutes and read this article from a well known liberal columnist that writes for the Chicago Sun-Times.

"But after watching Sunday's election in Iraq and seeing the first clear sign that freedom really may mean something to the Iraqi people, you have to be asking yourself: What if it turns out %$%$%$%$ was right, and we were wrong?"

http://www.suntimes.com/output/brown...s-brown01.html

read the article...............
 

and for the most part i agree with the concept....

what i have a hard time accepting and or believing is that:

it takes living candidates to govern the people and most of

them are being murdered as soon as they got the JOB.

but then again , if you look back at our own american

history there was a very volatile time where people we're

killed just for choosing sides

and afterwards it took many many years for peace to evolve.:rolleyes:

"What if it turns out %$%$%$%$ was right, and we were wrong?"


Can someone tell me why we are not aloud to say the Presidents name on this site? why the hell does it always get blocked out? This is a wondeful site for some good discusssion but who's stupid idea was this to black out W's name on here? Must be a liberal run website:smash: This insults me.