Good recap Swimmer...

Simmer down flap. Yeah, I admit I couldn't hold Stevies eel sack. That being said. There is a difference between a spot being written about a few year ago and one being burned today... IN THE SHORT TERM due to immediate increased pressure. I can attest to this since I regularly fish one of Steve's top 5.
This CAN lead to long term damage due to POSSIBLE loss of access. No one like to see their spots talked about due to these issues. I don't think that is very difficult to understand. This behavior is NOT limited to use fisherman. Hunters are the same as are some surfers "Surf your own beach". I'm sure other groups can be included as well.

Should the guy get threats? absolutely not. But NO ONE can judge whether or not individuals lose respect for someone due to something that person does. It's an individuals call.

Mike that really surpises me from you.........

Whered that picture go
 

I was studying it and then it disapeared put it back. :lurk:

I think Mike was talking in jest. Notice the little ;) in his post. He's in the law business and I'm sure he knows the consequences of mischief like that.

With the way some are acting about this spot burning issue, it makes me affraid to come up and fish there anymore. Last thing I need is to have someone messing with my truck, or messing with me with me for that matter. I have had people in Rhody gimme the evil eye before after seeing my NJ tagged truck, but never was fearful of anything. I come to fish and fish is what I do. I dont bother anyone and I dont wanna be bothered ;)

Like someone said in a previous post, there is'nt one spot that hasnt been written about, or talked about at some point in time. You wanna see crowds? Come to NJ any day this week thru December when there's a west wind blowing, it would make ya slit your wrists.

Why? has this stuff gone so far overboard?? You know people will hang themselves...get my drift?? there is no need to beat a dead horse horse. You cant change people or twist there arm to do what you want them to do, It is what it is.

It's all George Bush's fault I'm sure. :vamp:

Hi Bill , I think Mike P was stating what could happen, Thats not his Style.It happened to me sleeping in my truck a few years back someone keyed it................. You know this SPOT THING IS SAD, Just let it go, It's not even Winter YET :fishslap:

Habs, where they bitin'? :hidin:

Have to take the 5th on that question, Just kidding. Best to call.

There's only 2 places I fish in the whole state. :faga:

Flap - it is a shame that things like "spots" have come to this. It is a shame when you can't say online that you got a good fish last night or put up a picture because you will be inundated with PMs, Emails, Phone Calls about where you were. Or that people say you are full of BS, you were lying. All that. Yeh, it is frequent enough both online and offline. It truly is a shame that you can't give detailed locations on a spot without hordes of people running amok. Yeh - you are right, there ARE NO SECRET SPOTS. Nobody says there are, really. ABout every place HAS been fished before, some more so than others, often due to access issues or simply how willing one is going to go to fish a place.

It is also a SHAME that entities have to PROMOTE locations in order to SELL stuff. It does not spread the "wealth" so to speak of fishing pressure evenly across spots that can handle it better. Access and the Fish - are not those the TWO MOST IMPORTANT ITEMS to us as surfcasters? We spend so much time, often innefficiently, working the fish issue, yet we as a group are so harsh on access. You think the ratio of anglers to those that go to fisheries meetings is tough, imagine the ratio that goes to ACCESS issues. Yeh, I go when I can. Not often enough or as much as I'd like but I go. You do too. You know what is at stake here. And we are fortunate enough that you know the balance between writing about access and speaking generally.

Flap, as for losing respect for MikeP on his comment - do you REALLY think Mike is advocating slashing OTW's tires? Really? I know Mike a little and I think we can all agree that he is making notice of what potentially might happen by OTHERS. And I truly hope something like that would not happen, and truly hope nobody from here would do just that. Would I put money on that not happening? Uh, no... Some have more impulse than brains... Mike is in the brains camp.

I guess it pisses off a lot of people that I take this stand but as being someone that persues access issues when I can, I hate to see it face loss due to making money.

I also get that ill feeling in the pit of my stomach about this whole McKenna thing. Really torn. He really is a great guy, an awesome surfcaster, that in my opinion has made a large, unnintentional mistake. He has tried to do something good. And he is taking the heat unproportional to what he has done, certainly when compared to all of those that have done it before - including members here. But does an atmosphere that fosters that make it all OK? Becuase it is traditional to burn stuff in ALL of the different medias? I've done it here too and I'm pissed that I did. In fact, next revision of the site has NO reports section. Sure, a lot less people will sign up as members, but I think it is the responsible thing to do either way. Plenty of places online and in print to get SPOTS & Reports :doh: Anyway, I'm really sickened over this stuff. Steve is getting hammered, certainly more than deserved, and others are going to profit from it. Sucks.


#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& - did you change your mind on what you said before you talked to me or after? Your earlier posts on this thread don't necessarily jive with your phone call...

I habe more to say on this but I need to get back to my real job.

Oh, Laptew - WTF do you think is wrong with dragging a camera crew and staff down a PRIVATE road to FILM ? Do people walk that private road to fish? Yep. Do you think the handful of wealthy people living in there are nice enough to look the other way when anglers respecfully walk down there? How long will that last with film crews walking down there? Do you think the handful of wealthy people in there would really react if a crew of 10 walked down with cameras and equip bags? Obviously, this is not the first time you have dragged cameras and crews down there to FILM fishing.

Is getting he right shot MORE important than access to a location? Ask yourself that. I trruly hope you advised against going into there with a film crew - though somehow I doubt it.

never underestimate the reach of the internet.

nowadays, you could have a bunch of dudes from siberia flock to your favorite spots if they felt like it.

Oh, one very important thing for people to remember - the show was not (and hopefully won't be) about spots - it is a How To show!!


So let's not jump over Steve, and OTW if it is a How To show...

I am sure Mike meant his remark in a funny fasion however, its the thousands of people who lurk and read and it only takes one nut to acually do something as malicious as slash someones tires.

Kangaroo Court
 

John,

Did you read my earlier post?

The crew was made up of four people that walked in under the cover of darkness and left a couple of hours later. I made certain, as did Steve, that nothing revealed where we were fishing. What the hell is wrong with that? A show featuring a top angler using a productive technique on a pitch-black shoreline. The only on camera reference was to the East shore of Narragansett Bay. As far as people profitting on that show, yes it's business but it is the business of entertaining and informing people. My whole follow up to the post that announced the arrival of the OTW crew was to assure everyone that it was not a where to piece it was all about how to fish plastic. In my humble opinion I think we did justice to a very special way of fishing, one that's seldom seen on the silver screen. I'm sure everyone that watches the show will be very impressed by the footage and even more impressed at the sensitivity to limited access nature of the location. I've quite honestly never seen such a kangaroo court where everyone is guilty until proven innocent. To set the record straight, I've been diving that area since 1973 and I've filmed fishing off the shoreline there only once before...and I never gave up where we were fishing.

No one is more sensitive to access issues, I've suffered as much as anyone when it comes to lost spots. In fact I sent a previous thread from S-B to a young writer for The Fisherman who's working on a new surf fishing book and I suggested he make sure that it wasn't another "where to" book -- fortunately it will not be.

I'm willing to roll up my sleeves and help solve the problem and I'll bet there are a lot of others here that feel that way.

Where do we start?

You know something Mike - I did read and reread your post about that and put a follow up for people. And I understand what you are saying about a how to. But you HAVE previously filmed their and spread it on the net. Hopefully you would not do THAT again.

People - I think these threads are not doing anyone any real good (other than exposure for OTW)

I think we all need to settle down on the spot issue and back off. We also need to see people NOT burn McKenna in effigy unless they are perfectly willing to hang in effigy everyone that has ever scribed or posted about a spot... Let's give this a rest...

I'm glad someone still has his head on straight.

Jesus, you guys really think that after all I've stood for I was advocating a tire slashing? :rollem: It was a comment on how out of control this whole OTW/spots thing has become.

Bill, the poeple who do things like that don't need me to suggest it to consider doing it. It happens at the Cape. I've had it happen to me for the greivous offense of parking with NY plates on my truck. I had a key mark all the way down the passenger side of my old red Cherokee.

Let's give this a rest

Please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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