Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Flap. I thought someone said that there would be a response by the OTW editors in the next issue.
Dont shoot me, I'm just saying I know I read that out here from someone.

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Watch for the editorial in November. I have a feeling this will all be addressed in that format, where each and every subscriber, consumer and casual reader at the dentist's office can evalute the magazines response. Then again, it goes back to the authors responsibility, IMHO,to think of circumstances that my likely develop if he does submit the piece for publication. The guys at the mag are all great guys and my friends. Are they die hard surfcasters, offshore fishermen or rabid, tongue dragging red-eyed Striper men. No. They love to fish, and they had an opportunity to open up a venue so that nutz like myself and others could share with the other nutz what when and how. Where exactly is verboten. Of course there has always been and there will always be the unwriiten code among the Striper Brethren against revealing the most secret details. Myself I have been threatened with bodily harm, threatening notes,damage to my vehicle and slander and lost friendships. I don't believe that I give away the farm as the article in question did. I have people comment on giving too much info in how and why even when I intentionally leave out the where. Like the late great Al Rienfelder once said when asked, after telling in detail the how and why, the where question, "even the CIA doesn't have that kind of information". I live that way and write that way. I might mention Truro or Wellfleet or be a little more specific by stating Balston or some such beach but if you are a really educated surfcaster you know Balston is one., a big place and two., bass usually crowd into the smallest holes at only certain points in the tide. I fished last night from 9 to midnight, I caaght quite a few fish on Needles, where? Don't ask I won't tell you.

I don't post on S-S.COM anymore because Frank disses the magazine because thery would not entertain anymore of his oft time re-hashed adventures and laurel sitting. He of all people is throwing jibes in threads like "Googan Writers" and NEBE's thread on the aforementioned article. He's retired, he can make money off of it and he does. Well that's okay but don't throw stones. Does anyone here remember when "Striper Hotspots" first printing came out that some spots were named incorrectly? Also a lot of these spots were never even fished by Daignault. Of all the people to comment he has a lot of nerve. Read twenty years on the Cape and you will be told everything you need to know about when, where and how to fish the backbeach. All while he bemoans the fact you cannot trust people to keep thier mouths shut. But it was over for him so why not tell all and make a little cake on the side from it. Trouble is it wasn't and still isn't over for a lot of guys. The New Yorkers he fished with still come to P-Town for the most part, at least those who are still alive. He actively bashes people who fish from boats yet his mentor and one of the most prolific writers in the Striper game, Frank Woolner, knew and told anyone that would listen that even though he thought surfcasting was the most enjoyable and rewarding way to catch stripers a really good bassman had to be proficient in all of the arts. Trolling, jigging, live bait, fly fishing in order to be considered really good in the Striper world. He told me that to my face when I was a teenager and it is the way I live my striper life. Too many double standards these days. Dammed if you do damned if you don't. Now, enough of this crap and let's get on with the important stuff. What was done is done and I am sure a lesson was learned. End of story. Next!

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Its not too bad,. I just didn't like it. I'll fish Montauk, but his article will have nothing to do with it. Perhaps its not fair to be critcial without being more specific.
Here what I would have like to have seen.

- The typical "fall" season for Mntk, for example , fsih migrate in Sept and stay until Dec. Some basic idea of when the fishing picks up and when it ends.
- The lure talk was insulting, he says that Mntk regulars would never throw a needlefish becasue of the rocky condicitons....HUH? I throw heavy neeldefish at some of the most rocky places in RI, needlefish are top water lures, even when retrieved slowly. Then later in the article he mnetions that thee do throw needles when the sand eels move in, but reccomends a slow sinker.
Then he says to throw buck tail jigs...huh? Inconsistent concepts

- could have added more history about the place

I am not trying to be a jerk, I really did not like his style, seemed lke an 8th grade book report. Didnt win me over. :splat:

Originally Posted by tynan19

Zeno had a good little article in this past weeks Fisherman also. Written for Mtk but can be applied everywhere. Nice work Z.

Originally Posted by Karl F

Why?
Well, oh mature one, this, from another thread regarding this well worn subject...



I would have shortened it, but did not want to be accused of editing "your" comment.

But honest to god, that is the only reason, why I thought there might be something there, other than that, I know that magazines and writers, will sell us down the river................................

I will hush my juvenile mouth now, and be done with this... and let you mature folk handle this, while I grow up :hihi:

Flapper... sometimes I wonder 'bout ya ;)

Originally Posted by Joe

I can't stand you Nebe.....

Originally Posted by Krispy

This is one sport that would be better off without the media, the mags or the TV shows.
Let the weekenders enjoy theirs and the diehards keep theirs.
Anyone can invest as much of themselves as they want into surfcasting, and reap the rewards of their work. Part of it is finding the spots, who's getting what where, migration, tackle shops, sharpies, etc...
Or beach chairs, beers, kids, umbrellas, bonfires... whatever you want it to be, you can make of it.

Originally Posted by Chris in Mass

Major s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up about to take place - may not be suitable for all ages: I was wondering if they were talking about the same guy who wrote "A Whitewater Epiphany" in this week's Fisherman. I had to double check. Before seeing this thread, I read that article like 5 times (sorry - only been at this for 4 years). I was in these conditions a few times this season - fins busting certain portions of the foam - plenty of bait. - etc. Couldn't sleep the other night thinking what I would have done differently to get more consistent hookups. Great article, humble style. Somebody was asking in another thread what to do with all your fishing mags when your done with them - this one's a keeper - I'll be looking for the next Zeno article!

Originally Posted by Zeno

BTW
If i can figure out how to post a picture i would show you some real Montauk "mugging" :laughs:
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...id=12154&stc=1

Originally Posted by JHABS

AHHHHHHHH a picture is worth a 1000 words, Been there , Seen it , No THANKS. They even cast over you...............