To funny...there is a guy on "SNESA" Asking how to yo-yo bunker in an email.........Cant wait to see the responce's:eyes:

Part of the reason I'm posting this is because of requests in the past for such a thing - not so much the YoYo thread.

Some of the problem, as I see it, is that information should be shared so that the knowledge and RESPECT for what we do is properly gained. Writing an article for catching a 50 in 3 easy steps is a useless as 4 minute Abs - just doesn't happen. Basic methods should absilutely be shared and encouraged between people online and offline. Better and more involved methods should be shared too - sometimes online sometimes offline - but sometimes these methods (and the spot word :tooth: ) are sometimes not best shared on a platter for the world to see whether online or in print. They are best done fisher to fisher on a one on one basis (where people meet like here) or in a club.

I'm not trying to exclude people when I bring something like this up. What I am trying to figure out is that if an avenue is created, with the blessing of those on the site, that will remove some of the bickering that goes on is the best thing to do. We are a commnity here and sharing within our community benefits all of us I think. I'm just trying to see if tweaking the way we share is worth it or not.

Thanks!

John

Sounds good John, but since the "regulars" already post here all the time anyway, what difference will it make? the bickering is what it is with the same people? Just asking..... Hey look, you have a great site, its huge and growing everyday.....I would not want to be in your shoes and have to pull my hair out all the time, but ultimatly I guess you make the decisions...you do the best you can with the time you have...I am not trying to start trouble here...It would be great if the bikering can stop....but it never does...its been years.

Maybe your idea is a good one, I dont know....I do know that if every now and then you at least let people talk about the better known spots etc....it may ease tension...the problem is how do you not let the whole world in on it? who knows....I was just stating opinions and not trying to stir a pot, even with a thread like this you can see how it shoots off in its own direction and goes off topic.

So far you have done a great job with this site, its the most looked at one out there..I am sure you will come up with the right answers in time!:btu: :btu:

But what do I know ............

On second thought, what am I even involved in this for? I contribute nothing of value here?? I guess its just to hot and sitting here is killing the time until BOAT LAUNCH!!

That's the thing - spots. It is probably the most contentious issue on the site. And it's usually OK until someone starts talking about someone else's favorite spot. What I am trying to find is the best balance. My never-ending-tilting-towards-windmills-quest ...

I'm changing my name to DomQ :nailem:

hey wait a minute no one contributes less valuable info than I do !

LOL

as far as this thread . what ever is the consensus is , I will go along with . I guess !

But what's that gonna solve, let 'em fly, take no prisoners. Let the fun begin..I'll warm up the butter, I need some fun in my life..:rotf2: :rotf2:
Oh, and 4 minute abs does work, I can have a six pack in 4 minutes, packy is right down the street..

Let it Be

chrisL = MVP :laugha:

or just lock the doors and make this the " ledge II "

Bad idea.
I would not worry about an advanced and cryptic technique impacting the overall health of the fishery - most people can't even run a regular yo-yo.....

I don't post very much here and haven't been a member very long, so I'd venture to guess that many people don't care what I think.

The whole point of internet message boards is the free exchange of ideas. Considering the number of other internet fishing message boards and magazines, I don't think that contributions from any one do much to reduce the quality of fishing. It's not like keeping it off this site is going to prevent the issue, spot, technique from being discussed.

The more people there are who do well fishing, the more people stay in the sport. This only helps to give us numbers against the PETA nuts who want no one fishing. The last thing we want for the preservation of the fishery is reduced participation. The more participants, the more people who pay taxes, contribute to the economy, write letters when things get taken away - in other words, helping others helps the fishery.

A closed group of fishermen who work together and keep information within the group is a fishing club. If that's what you want, fine, but it's not what you have right now. Among other differences between a club site and this is the number of people who will be viewing the sponsor's ads & information. I don't know the economics of how SB.com operates, but that may be a factor.

I guess what I'm saying is that when you consider all of the books, magazines, web sites, personal conversations, tips from the B&T, etc, etc, etc, the things said here aren't even a drop in the bucket. I realize there are good fishermen here, but if you think that the viability of the species or a spot rests on the amount of information you post here, you have a pretty elevated opinion of your importance to the fishery.

I really don't think that because someone here says he killed them in Skeeter Cove, the place is going to be overrun and wiped clean of bass. Ditto for bait rigging techniques. How effective are rigged eels? Now how many people spend the time to rig them? Almost none if you consider the total number of striper fishermen. I mean, people pay extra for rubber so they don't have to spend 3 minutes to rig them.

I think the same is probably true for that bunker rigging method.
Some guy will make a few, stink up the kitchen, get yelled at, and for the rest of the season he'll go back to what worked before.

Just my opinion - no offense mean to anyone.

The proposed idea presented by the grand buba is a step in the right direction. It will have no effect on the present S-Bers and give the lurkers an opportunity to share the information that this site offers. These new members as well as the present members can now be identified and bounced temporarily from the site if there actions don't adhere to the paridigm of this site.
Instead of the whole net having access to sensitive info then why not share it with those take the time to join.

Then again you can have all the sensitive info privatized to s-b members but the enemy most probably lies within.

I vote no! First you will have all kinds of "Yo-Yo's" logging on just to see that stuff and then, as others have said already, it will get out anyway! Just my .02 cents....and if you do do it....minimum post count should be 10,000.....that should take care of any problems!:laugha:

fish swim..why does S-B need a spot talk section? I hate crowds..I think if its about spots then no way..S-B is cool the way it is.

shore-spot talk is best at..town/county, state, or island.

Boat guys, should come up with some kind of generlizations and stick to them, and keep it moderated tight..

pm more specifics to your buddies. the site seems to work well the way it is now.

people want spots? then put in go find em..get a map, depth chart..search google:cputin: its better that way I think.

if we're still talking techniques - S-B has a "how to section" "plugbuilding, flyfishing, bottom, ect.." move or moderate the stripertalk sensitive stuff over there.

I think how to's are great..ive learned the most from them. why would you want to seclude newbie members from these tips and tricks..If a person is willing to read and try they are learning and I think they deserve that from the group/site and thats what makes this place so awesome.

Im not a fishing know it all by any means..although ive learned and progressed alot by applying the knowledge I've leared here into the surf. i think, i sence the general issue here though which is....trade secrets..like yoyo. is it TM? no just a method. I understand why it is controversial though..

Since i dont know enough about it, i wont sit here and pretend to know.

I know one thing..
About having a online club in the forum.
I think i read earlier it says something about post counts and or S-B born on date...

Both are good and bad ideas..thats a tough desision. I agree w/ TT people will post nonsense to increase post counts..

i think i understand what clammer is said too..there could be or is..long time lurkers? i dont know..

I think S-B is great the way it is, and wouldnt change a thing.

Moto

p.s Hooters = S-B Sensative Material discussion forum :faga: :gu: :cheers: :buds: :kewl:

What was the original reason that sb.com was started ?
To be a "members only" club, or to help all persons interested in bass fishing ?

No If you don't want to let anyone know don't post it you can share via pm's
I don't see how it could work anyways unless it is password protected.

Nope, it is an open forum to share ideas and it is best served that way.

I have made some very good friendhips with people I have met here (internet freaks we are) as everyone should or they are missing out on LIFE..

When advanced techniques come into play, attend some of the get togethers, meet some people, fish with them, develop relationships and then share whatever you care to.

As for spots........Several years ago I posted that I had decent fish at spot X. There wasn't one other person there that night and the following weekend you couldn't find a room to stand and that location can fish 10 easy..

I think the need for a sensitive site is mute. I agree with tattoo that if someone has sensitive information it should be shared via a PM. Most members on this site know each other and already use the PM method of communicating that type of information. This smacks of private chat rooms and I don't think we are in need of that type of operation.
As an example, many years ago I was a ham operator. All the members hung out on certain frequencys. When someone wanted to talk to members on something private or sensetive, codes were used. The members that were included in that circle would QSY to that freq. It didn't take long before all members were QSY'ng to that freq. That blew the private sensitive matter out of the water.
John runs an excellent cite as it is!:claps:

For what it's worth, I greatly appreciate some of the techniques I have learned from the people on this site. As far as spots, wouldn't even ask someone where they were fishing (except general info : plymouth, chatham, race, etc.) But you still have to find the fish, and still catch them. I think the site is great the way it is, like some of the men have said, if someone wants to share info that some may not want posted, just pm that person. Just my thought. :kewl:

I wouldn't care to see a members only area. I'm stubborn - and if I see a site that makes you join to really get the goods - then I think the site is just trying to twist my arm into joining. And I figure if they have to twist my arm - then it probably isn't worth it.

As for the Yo-Yo thing - I agree that posting information about it probably won't have a dramatic effect on the striper population overall - but I would say that some posts seem to be building this up like it is pure gold - and then saying how bad it would be to let the information out. If you really believe this is effective, but not appropriate for the general public - then let it die. The more folks hear about how great it is - but that they can't have it - the more they'll want it. If you know anything about yo-yoing and want to keep it a secret - then do just that. But if you make even the slightest reference to how great it is or how it should be kept quiet - then you are fueling the fire.

Got my vote. Spot talk at Hooters..:chased:

Well said, but on the other hand the definition of "spots" on this site is the general area. As in - Narragansett shore is a spot ;)

FWIW, It's only a secret in the opinion of a few. If a chubby accountant knows about it from reading fishing magazines as a lad, it can't be much of a secret. Just in case that was a fluke, I called my 70 ish year old fishing buddy Lou. He's not a comm, but has spent lots of time as a rec fisherman and doesn't know any of the sharpeis here. He laughed when I refered to it as a secret. His point was that when there were pogies, that's what people did and it was no secret. Once there were no pogies, people did not use that method as much.
The irony is that, just like when Bill was blasted for mentioning the Narrow River, the furor over this non secret has elevated it to "must know" status. I know this is a little :topic: but illustrates the unforseen aspects of trying to "control" information.

I'm still looking for the translation guide :rtfm: :rotf3:

Me too - I'd like to change my vote


Back atcha :cheers: :buds: :cheers:

But u do contribute,even though u may not think so.I now hook my eels the way u do, sometimes. My mind is like a sponge I am always learning.Thats why I like fishing sites I take in info an decide how it best suits my style of fishing.An I ain't new at this.Imagine what u can give to some beginner.That being said I did fall asleep at one of ur seminars.It's a long drive.....
Not sure about memebers only I think it makes it harder to gain new members.The old skool way seemed to work fine till now.I remember when striper surf had a memebers only gig going on over there.I stoped visiting.I think they changed it back.But it was alot of forums.Maybe one forum would be ok if it was not the only one used.
I have eddie from Iron maiden on my arm.so there.

I wasn't gonna post but I have to because I have know JohnR long
before he created this great site!!! 1st of all there is nothing wrong with the site just the way it is. Pretty soon you are gonna have so many forums that your gonna need 50 moderaters.
I don't care how many techniques you put on the internet, Most people will try them once, it won't work, and they will never try it again. YO Yoing is no secret, it has been around for years and if you know how to do it and do not want to share the info, because of promises to fishing friends or so forth, and respect of fellow anglers, then do not participate, then you are in no better shape then if you did not say anything.

How many articals have been written by people on this board as how too's in all of our favorite magazines. Come on people!!! You share your knowlendge for money or fame or because you enjoy helping people catch fish in this sport. How many people do you really think are gonna go out and spend hours riggin pogies to yo -yo and then go fishing, its just not gonna happen.

I teach people how to fish every freakin day on the water and they will only get out of it what they put into it and no matter how many techniques you use only time on the water and dedication will make it work for you. Most people are too lazy to try any extreme or complicated methods to go striped bass fishing, they want the most quickest and best idea for right now!!!

If someone want to post how to do something then so be it. if you don't want to add to it or say anthing don't add to it and stay off the post from offending and starting %$%$%$%$ with anybody who did post it. In my estimation you guys have way too much time on your hands and instead of bitching back ond forth go fishing. Life is too freakin short people.

I respect and have learned from many great fisherman over the years who do not look for fame or any other variety of the sort, they just are good at what they do as time has tought them, they love the sport and they have some things they just do not share. If someone asks me not to divulge it I DON"T, but that does not mean somebody else knows how to do and will share it with somebody else or on the internet. Thats Life, get over it!!!!

I agree with the spot issue because some places just can't take alot of pressure, but you can best believe if people are weighin in fish at a local shop they are gonna send there patrons to where fish have been caught so as to build up trust with there clientel, does that mean the fish are there. NO THEY SWIM!!! what was the wind, what was the tide, what time of day was it. Any good fisherman knows there are alot more factors that play into catching fish that just the spot it was caught and what they caught it with.

Sorry JohnR, but I just could not take it any more. love you and love the site, stay strong and just keep it as it is. If you don't like it here leave, if you do stay. If you can't add anything good to a thread then keep your mouth shut. if you want to be positive and add something go ahead. Let the moderator decide if it is to much information. Tight lines everybody I am going fishing!!!!!!!!!!!!:buds:

But
 

One can register at any number of sites and never or hardly ever post but be a member with access to this proposed forum.... Am I missing something here? Example.... you see a post for someone who signed on in 2002 and its there 11th post.

excellant contribution Jules,(the whole post) Thanks :)

and if any of you think you can help out by being a moderator, step right on up and talk to John about it.

I saw the road that thread was going down before it even got going.

I just
 

voted no. The moderators do a great job. Leave it that way. It was a good idea to ask the question though. Quite frankly, I'm not a commercial guy and never will be and I do respect them for their methods but, Damn me! if I start stapling my bait etc. I'll know I've gone over the edge. I just like fishing and like it the way it is here.

I have been many things before but
 

never have I been ever called a technique burner. And I think its ridiculous to think there is only "one man" here that knows how to do it right. Wow, I dont know what to say. I think when someone makes an inquiry asking an honest question they deserve an "honest" answer. With the exception of where the "technique" was used. Golly I don't know what to say I feel dirty and used!