blackberries are twice to 3 times size of black raspberries, fruitwise. Thorned blackberries are nasty and can rip you right off a riding lawnmower as you drive by.Personal experience talking here. Thorns cover the whole cane and are 1/2" long,. That is why I grow thornless.

My garden sucked this year, nothing came in good. :wall:

only thing that came in good in my veggie garden were weeds. My worst year ever and to be honest I didn't even care this year.

I think I forgot to thin this tree. I didn't spray this year so a lot of fungus and a lot came down in the last wind storm but I did get a bunch worth eating. You wouldn't believer the yellow jackets all over them on the ground. Got to pick them up because they clog the lawnmower.:)

No spray? No thinning? Very nice, those a plums very hard to grow.
I should stumble over after surgery this weekend to get some