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RIROCKHOUND 06-23-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 775700)
hey come on now! Thats no excuse for him to be critical of a junior sentaor that was once a community organizer. He f'in taught at HARVARD for gods sake!

Right:
Much better to take orders from a failed baseball/oil man/Gov of Texas or Gov of Arkansas... the Commander in Chief is the top, agree or disagree he is the boss... Context of their experience is not important here.

If this was reversed Politically, and this was a McCain White House you guys would be clamoring for the generals head.

As one of the talking heads said last night or this morning, in the military, you salute, carry out the order or you resign, period.

spence 06-23-2010 02:15 PM

It's a moot issue now...he's gone. It is a shame that such an outstanding military career would come to an end in such a disturbing way. Some people think he was looking for an out, but I'm not sure I buy that.

-spence

RIJIMMY 06-23-2010 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 775709)
As one of the talking heads said last night or this morning, in the military, you salute, carry out the order or you resign, period.


So you think that lawyers are better at running a war than generals?
(see Vietnam History)

Raven 06-23-2010 04:57 PM

O had to show His Balls

buckman 06-23-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 775709)
Right:
Much better to take orders from a failed baseball/oil man/Gov of Texas or Gov of Arkansas... the Commander in Chief is the top, agree or disagree he is the boss... Context of their experience is not important here.

If this was reversed Politically, and this was a McCain White House you guys would be clamoring for the generals head.

As one of the talking heads said last night or this morning, in the military, you salute, carry out the order or you resign, period.


Never would have happened under Bush.

mosholu 06-23-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 775801)
Never would have happened under Bush.

You meant to say, under Cheney right?

Joe 06-24-2010 07:27 AM

Lobby your congressman to introduce an amendment to the constitution that removes the commander in chief powers from the executive branch.

Swimmer 06-24-2010 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mosholu (Post 775841)
You meant to say, under Cheney right?


It is extremely sad this happened under Oprah!

RIROCKHOUND 06-24-2010 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 775801)
Never would have happened under Bush.

No, you just had a sec. of defense removed after a half a dozen retired top tier generals claimed military incompetence.

McCrystal F-ed up.
Obama did the right thing by accepting the resignation.
It probably was a political move to put Petraus in there... we'll see how it works out.

fishbones 06-24-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 775868)
No, you just had a sec. of defense removed after a half a dozen retired top tier generals claimed military incompetence.

McCrystal F-ed up.
Obama did the right thing by accepting the resignation.
It probably was a political move to put Petraus in there... we'll see how it works out.

Obama can't win in this one. He put McChrystal in position after passing over Petraeus the first time. He also had some harsh words for Petraeus while he was campaigning for office. Now, to have to sack the guy he handpicked and go back to the guy who originally should have been the choice, it doesn't look so good. But in the end, I think Petraeus is the better choice. As decorated as McChrystal is, he had lost the confidence of a lot of the guys on the ground fighting for him. Now it's just a matter if finding out if this is a winnable war.

RIJIMMY 06-24-2010 10:48 AM

we've never defined "winnable" thus it can never be won

scottw 06-24-2010 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 775880)
Obama can't win in this one. He put McChrystal in position after passing over Petraeus the first time. He also had some harsh words for Petraeus while he was campaigning for office. Now, to have to sack the guy he handpicked and go back to the guy who originally should have been the choice, it doesn't look so good. But in the end, I think Petraeus is the better choice. As decorated as McChrystal is, he had lost the confidence of a lot of the guys on the ground fighting for him. Now it's just a matter if finding out if this is a winnable war.

also consider that the remaining Obama supporters are the far left whack jobs who hate Petraeus' guts and would very much like to lose the war so that we can get on to turning this crappy, misguided country into a marxist utopia, and they want their damn Obama money...they can't be happy with Obama now either....hiring "Bush's General" and all...

did ya happen to notice that all of the independent hardworking mainstream media heads and pundints are cheering support for Obama using the IDENTICAL language.."he's brilliant"...funny how they independently and without bias or coordination report as news the exact talking points of the Obama handlers, you'd think that you'd have a least a shred of self respect or at least a little respect for your profession...this is Stalinist and worrisome...:uhuh: you don't have to be brilliant to be Obama or a member of his media support group...just read what they put in front of you...:uhuh:

and based on what I'm reading here from some, it's well recieved and repeated without question by the toe suckers who will either repeat talking points(preferrably short and rhyming so as to be easily remembered), blame Bush or tell you you are on drugs... in lieu or an intelligent thought :rotf2:

hey, maybe you can look forward to some Al Gore sex tapes to really get ya goin'....

it's also a nice distraction from the Blago mess..."never let a crisis go to waste"

BY NATASHA KORECKI AND SARAH OSTMAN Staff Reporters
A top aide to former Gov. Rod Blagojevich said he believed Barack Obama knew of Blagojevich's plot to win himself a presidential Cabinet post in exchange for appointing Valerie Jarrett to the U.S. Senate.

John Harris, Blagojevich's former chief of staff, testified Wednesday in the former governor's corruption trial that three days after the Nov. 4, 2008, presidential election, the ex-governor told Harris he felt confident Obama knew he wanted to swap perks.

"The president understands that the governor would be willing to make the appointment of Valerie Jarrett as long as he gets what he's asked for. . . . The governor gets the Cabinet appointment he's asked for," Harris said, explaining a recorded call.

Harris said Blagojevich came away believing Obama knew what he wanted after having a conversation with a local union representative, who in turn spoke with labor leader Tom Balanoff, with whom Blagojevich met to discuss a Jarrett appointment. Jarrett, now a White House adviser, was seeking the appointment to Obama's Senate seat.

Defense lawyers say Harris' testimony contradicts the government's previous public statements that Obama knew nothing about deal-making involving the Senate seat appointment.

The defense on Wednesday moved to force the prosecution to turn over FBI reports of Obama's interview with federal agents in December of 2008. Obama is not accused of wrongdoing.

"Testimony elicited by the government from John Harris and wiretaps played in court raise the issue of President Obama's direct knowledge and communication with emissaries and others regarding the appointment to his Senate seat," lawyers wrote in the filing

buckman 06-25-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 775921)
we've never defined "winnable" thus it can never be won

It's all over in July. Obama said so.:confused:


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