fc alive
 

i support the war and your g** d*** right i want people to watch the 9/11 footage. did you see the same f****** tape as me or what. whats it gonna take to convince you ? another couple THOUSAND dead. ill bet your opinion will change when someone you love is dead.as far as making life better im sure it would make alot of moms and dads day a bit brighter knowing that their son/daughter is not in a far away land protecting freedom for insignifigant c***su***s like you.
john delete if you must but this f***face deserves a beating.

DONT TREAD ON ME

Lets go kick his A@@
 

LET"S USE SPME AMERICAN MIGHT

Then let some Boys from FDNY at em
 

FDNY let us never forget

Then let's kick his A@@ more
 

hahah

*** I'm pulling that pic as my respect for Uncle Sam believes that he would fron upon giving "The Bird" ***

FC are You a terrorist?

Yo people - his view is not one that I agree with but I don't want to shut him up over this either. Without further ado, I'm bouncing this down to The Scuppers. FC - you picked a helluva first post.

FC - I'll agree that the direct connection between 9/11 & Iraq is loose at best. But after 9/11, war was NOT declared on OBL, or Al Queda. Our government WITH OVERWHELMING support of the rest of us dumb Americans, made it our mission of eradicating global terrorism, particularly those that are a threat to us. Not OBL or Al Queda, but GLOBAL. Now I do not in full agreement that Iraq is the biggest threat right now, and I hope this going to war is based on pretty sound fact instead of just emotion. But from what I have seen, there is sufficient grounds to be very wary of Saddam. Just look at his track record for starters.

As for the highly enlightened people of France, Germany, and Russia? China? They will abstain or veto because this likely war with Iraq does not benefit them as well as status quo. Who do you think provided half Iraq's weapons & technology AFTER the Gulf war? It wasn't Ghanna. France, Russia, AND CHINA all have had political or at least economic dealings with Iraq. Which countries have been very relaxed with Iraq since the early 90s and had been almost as much a hindrance to inspections as Saddam has been - well, you guessed it: France, Russia, & China. Who wooda thunk it? Even under the different leaderships of the time, they were still similar in their looking the other way...

Please don't listen to France, they are one of the LAST countries that can hide from policy being economically motivated. They haven't done the right thing since selling us Louisianna.

OK side tracked a little.

I have not seen war up close & personal so I can't make any comment on that. What I have seen is the long term results of war, and of the dictators and opressive regimes and systems much similar to that of present day Iraq.

OK - enough from me for now.

Gilligan,

What does Iraq have to do with 9-11?



Everybody else,

Why can't you respond to the things I am saying rather than making inflamitory comments and ignoring the issues that I raise.


FCAlive

Saddam Hussein is a threat to regional stability in a region that's not so stable to start with.

Our beef is not with the average Iraqi citizen. Just the bozo who has his finger on the red button connected to a lot of nasty biological and chemical and maybe even radiological weapons programs.

Why are we going to war?

0) We're already in Afghanistan. Might as well kill two birds with one stone while we're deployed.

1) To put some teeth into past U.N. Resolutions that have been flounted.

2) It's easier to deal with crazies who aspire to own nukes...before they actually get them.

3) Iraq has aided and abetted terrorists and their acts.

4) Oil. As much as it pains me to say it.

Oil = $$$. In this country, money talks and bull$hit walks.

-WW

HIS
 

world is ending go protect him fvalive!! he needs you!! iraq as you once knew it is CHANGED FOREVER!!:smash:

MRMACEY,

I don't support Saddam Hussein, I support the right of the country of Iraq to conduct its affairs without the interference of the United States.

If Saddam is such a menace why did we support him before the first Gulf War.
If Saddam is such a menace why haven't we taken him out of power? We have certainly had a chance.
The only conclusion that I can reach is that this war has little to do wth Saddam Hussein.

lets blow them up, take thier oil and use it here and sell gas for 25 cents a gallon.
then send them all to france and make the dump a state
:D

The French and Iraqis have a thing going.

Cheese for oil.

:laughs:

BM,

wouldn't bombing Iraq and taking their oil make us the bad guys?

I have to say, all this talk of war and seeing tv footage of our soldiers saying tearful goodbyes to their families is taking some of the wind out of my fishing sails. As much as I love to fish, it kind of makes me feel trivial when others are putting their lives on the line on our behalf.

-WW :smash: :(

JohnR,

Thank you very much for the intelligent reply.
It is the lack of reasoned discussion about this war that makes me the most worried.

If our goal is to stop terrorism and foreign military action against the United States, it doesn't make sense to attack Iraq.

Attacking Iraq will definitely increase Islamic fundamentalist terrorism against the United States and its allies.

Attacking Iraq will not decrease the likelyhood of military action against the United States by Iraq or anybody else.

For the record I no longer live in JP :(

I think you can see why.

Hey FC,

Everything you say was said for the first Gulf War.
Whats your response?

Jealous people have attacked us ever since we became a productive, rich, FREE country. Now is the time to stop them not pardon them.

Do youself a favor get off the couch and go to some $hit hole third world dictator run country for an immediate lesson. If you survive to make it home to the cozy warm United States Of America lets hear from you.

Who is organising the protests against the free countries to liberate Iraq et al? Hmmm. Do some research and get back to us.

Who is funding the terrorists?

Who pays the Arab refugees families 25K when they blow themselves up in the company of a free democratic target?

I could go on but I beleive you and your ilk dislike my President my country my FLAG that you will not hear what is said.

Flag loving DAV sends

Hey Guys,

I don't usually post much, I just kinda hang out and watch the proceedings but I feel the need to jump in because I think FC is taking a lot of heat for asking relevant questions. Being that our country is founded on democracy I for one am glad that somebody out there is asking questions for both sides both pro and anti war. It's people like FC that aren't afraid to stand up and be different that make America as strong as it is. If we can't come up with concrete, specific, fact based reasons why we need to go to war with Iraq then we should really reconsider. I feel that it shouldn't be based soley on emotion because we all know what happens when we get caught up in the moment, whatever it is. It's people like FC that protect us from the tyranny of the majority and hopefully make us consider all the options ahead of time before it's too late.

That being said I think John R did a pretty great job laying out a fact based set of reasons why a war with Iraq is justified. Colin Powell also did a really good job in his first presentation to the UN. He laid out countless examples of weapons violations on Iraq's part and brought forth lots of evidence showing the danger Iraq poses. I hate Sadam and I can't stand France, I wish Osama was dead and outta the picture but I am still cautious about sending American forces overseas to fight. Not because I'm not patriotic, quite the opposite, i Love my country and I sincerely appreciate and respect those who fight to defend it and my freedom. It's because I do so I want to make sure that they're going over there to fight and endanger their lives for a really damn good reason.

I support the decision to attack Iraq, I think having a madman with chemical, biological and eventually nuclear weapons, who kills his own people and could potentially ignite a very volatile middle east situation is extremely dangerous and warrents our involvement. Furthermore the fact that he hasn't complied with the Security Counsels mandates until the absolute last moment and is still in material breach of numerous other violations just shows that he's only trying to buy time while he prepares himself.

Anyway, hopefully we'll get some more support from the rest of the UN and get some decision one way or the other, all this waiting around is really dragging out this process and i think the economy would do a lot better if we could just put all this uncertainty behind us. Just my .02.

God Bless America

"Lou"

TO BE AN AMERICAN
 

IS TO BE PROUD!!

As someone whom has down a lot of traveling around the globe both in the military and sailing through the thrid world with my folks. I can tell you that you get three responses from people about the states. 1. Awe 2. jealousy 3. fear. The problem with the Ossama's and Saddams's of the world is that they are looking to increase their prestisge among other Muslims by messing with the US. A lot of these people live in abject poverty (Indonesia) or live in kingdoms run by royal families (Saudi) and the money does not trickle down very far. Since the US supports Saudi etc.. we get the blame for their #^&#^&#^&#^&ty lives. Also there is our rightful support of Israel. We have to deal with a strong hand with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s like Bin Laden. Death is too good for that mother@#$%$. As far as Hussien no matter what we did I agree with Bush that we would end up having to do a smack down. However I feel Bush went off half cocked and now has us backed into a corner. We pretty much have to kick his ass no matter what the world thinks or come off looking weak, which we can not afford. The best thing for the US right now would be a revolt in Iraq. As far as the French. They are just being French. No on in Europe takes them seriously. They are the Keystone Cops of Nato. They other country's are happy to have a chance to stand up to us for once. When you are the biggest guy on the block all eyes and egos are on you. Let's pray this ends with little loss of US lives. AS far as FC remark that fighting these guys will lead to more terrorism. As far as I remeber as a kid The bully will keep kicking your ass until you kick his, then he is just a punk.

You're right on the money Duke!...

Looks like this thread created a monster!...

Sorry guys, that wasn't my intent...

We do need to do something about this situation in Iraq and we need to act soon!

World opinions seem to sour more and more as we wait out the inevitable...

I usualy do not respond to these types of postes but could not stand and have LOU tell me that its people like FC that protect us from TYRANNY no it is not it is poeple like the boys over seas NOW that are doing that and the men now in their 70-80s that saved ALL of Europe in the 40s that PROTECT us and with out them FC would be SHOT by other people like him for not liking what others say.I do not like war and would like to see some other way but you do what you have to do to PROTECT us and others from TYRANNY. I never was in the service but both my brothers were during veitnam and my father servied in the Pacific in ww2 he knows war and saw things he will not talk about to this day . But he also knows that there are poeple that must be dealt with to save our own lives and yes even FC. I am glad FC can speak his mind but I think we all need to ask our selves how this right is given to us and WHO PROTECTS IT.

Ps now I am going to go fishing thanks DAD, JOE,WALTER and all the others that have given so that I can!!!!!!!!!!

Go Greg!
Lets mount a 60 on the bow of your boat. Well make our own homeland security department (on Cutty) Bet Goose will join or fleet.

I actually don't think this is a bad thread. It's good to get some people thinking instead of a "toe the line" knee jerk reaction. (I just seriously disagree with your thinking).

Yeh, war is wrong. I think even half the military will say and may even agree with that. The decisions to put our boys & girls into harm's way is something not to be taken lightly. Many might not come back. Like Duke, I think GW has effed up much of the process and simply should have done a better job. But there are too many pressing issues, too many bad signs, too much bad potential energy stored up in Iraq that can't be ignored.

When has Saddam really complied on ANYTHING unless the bomb bay doors were open?

Saddam gives a little lip action to the "International Commitee", Tariq Aziz calls it a conspiracy by the US & UK against the peace loving people of Iraq (which I don't doubt the people of Iraq on - it's the government that will roast your nuts for grins & giggles), then Saddam goes to one of his hundreds of bazzilion dollar palaces, waves an old AK or Enfield around firing in the sky in front of a public looking crowd that are really actors from the Ministry of Information. He then looks into the Al Jazeera camera and says he's the good guy & everyone is picking on him!

Its been the same thing over and over for the past decade. Nothing has changed with Iraq. But the current global climate has changed. The threat to the "free world" is no longer a tangable geographic entity with its westernmost foot print at the Inter-German border. The current threat is that small guys with small resources are willing to do maximum damage and inflict maximum death, on US for the most part. They can get this help from a guy like Saddam and he's willing to do it on his own too.

OK - 'nuff mouthing off for me - gotta get back to work...

I couldn't agree with you more Greg!...

It's good to see that America still has Patriots today!

For those who like to complain about this country like those in Hollywood...

Why don't you LEAVE this country!...

Then and only then will you understand the Greatness of America!

who cares blow them up take there oil we live good.
make french kiss our butts.
Hey You should Join the army Ya know that
they live like dogs any way, might as well put a leash on them

Hey GB, i think maybe i didn't come across as clearly as I meant to, when i said tyranny of the majority, i meant the idea that just because the majority of people feel one way, that doesn't mean it's the right way, it's kinda the reason we have the Senate, where a tiny state like RI gets as much say as a huge state like California or Texas. I don't mean to imply that FC protects us from a tyrannical ruler or anything like that, just that having someone to play devils advocate and ask questions from the opposing side is a useful and necessary part of our government. Sorry I guess I don't type as clearly a 1am.

Duke, I think you're right on when you say Bush went about it the wrong way. I agree with you that we're kinda in a tight spot because we can't back down now, and something obviously needs to be done, but i'd be better if we had more support. I think Bush noticed that too because I remember one of his speeches from the fall before the whole Iraq situation got as heated as it is now, and he didn't have nearly as many facts or reasons for going to war. Then it was completely based on emotion. Now it seems like he's doing a better job of giving solid reasons why we the situation is unacceptable and why we're not going to put up with it any more.

"Lou"