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Don't sweat it.....No Biggie. everybody gets caught up in a moment sometimes....It might even happen to me once in awhile :hee:
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Require poachers to place a permanent glow in the dark sticker near the registration number on the bow of the boat the signifies the owner is a poacher.
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I was fishing Boston Harbor a few years ago and these guys next to us were poaching flounder. We explained the regulations to them in case they didn't know (in a not so polite way)... So they started reeling the small fish up on the other side of their boat. My friend wanted to "board them" but instead we called the Env Police. Got the run around at first but finally they got an officer on the line who cared and went over there and busted them with a cooler full of shorts. All they got was a little fine and a scolding. |
How about they tatoo a big "P" on his forehead?
But seriously, there has to be some serious deterrent or nothing will change. What SHOULD happen: If caught as a REPEAT offender, lose license FOREVER and lose all gear related to the act (Boat, transport vehicle, all tackle) and a fine. What WILL happen: Absolutely nothing! Maybe a small fine and ANOTHER slap on the wrist. Unless they stiffen th penalties, nothing will ever change. This jackhole will only pass on the fine to his next charter by "slightly" increasing the price. I say hit them where it will hurt: take them out of the business entirely and permanently! (I'm not talking any form of violence, but rather legal action.) |
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Oh, I agree--I'm not singling out just the RI and CT--and even some NY guys--who have Mass licenses and bring in fish from their waters. There are at least as many SE Mass guys running out there, too. I have always said that the Mass license is way too cheap, and way too easy to get. Some guys make a living commercial fishing--they get their boat license early in the year, they fish every species in season, they're grandfathered into the fluke fishery, and they also buy a master species commercial shellfish license. And many, many people just get the boat permit and striped bass endorsement and fish the second Tuesday in July until the season is closed, usually by the end of August. |
I agree. The penalties need to be severe for a repeat offender, and like DZ mentioned, if they find a hidden box with fish in it, obviously intended for poaching, should be licence revoked for life, either jail time or a huge monetary fine, and all gear taken. I work in a prison, and I gotta say if that guy was in my jail, it'd be hard not to be the hand of justice myself...
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I wonder if he has a hide in his car as well. The officers could have confiscated his boat and all equipment as well. They could also issue summons to everyone that was on board because they particpated in the crime also. I think the mere fact that he had an electronic hide for the poached/stolen (it was stolen from us) fish he should be bound over to superior court if at all possible. This smells of not just ...............well thats all I have to say I wonder why he wasn't arrested. Poaching is a crime punishable by imprisonment, at leats I think it is, I'll have to look that up, I believe which makes what took place a misdomeanor in the presence of an officer. |
Now see if he was a real commercial guy ie federal that lie wouldbof been ten gs.... Reality lieing to monitors or observers or feds is ten thousand finebfor us.....
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Oh and for the record yes i live in ri fish outta chatham... We rod and reel for bass and tuna as well as gillnet... But we fish mass waters only for bass.... As thumper can tell youvits a different kind of expierience....now the down side.... I make my living on the water not just on nice days... We are not fair weather fisherman... Oh it is blowin and crappy... Oh well it a 4-10 hour ride to the gear... Head down do it... The thing that gets me is how does mass have so many commercial guys??? Seriously chatham has been a fuster cluck to get in or out of lately... All bass guys... Just wondering what they do the other 11months a year to make their money....
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$450 - that's less than half of what a DEM enforcement guy costs state per day in salary, benefits, and the thirty+ years he'll spend in retirement. The only time they catch anyone is when a dime is dropped. BFD - they caught one poacher.
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Welcome to Massachusetts, where any Tom #^&#^&#^&#^& or Harry can pony up $65 and be a "commercial fisherman". |
Swimmer, I believe it is punishable by jail time. I took a guy to court one time and his charge on the paperwork read, "Posession of short lobster" so Id imagine it would be the same for fish.
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I understand that each coastal state has thier boundaries, but shouldnt this be a federal offense seeing how this is a migrating fish and each state has its offenders and victims. Victims being either the bass, the ecology, the recreational fisher, the commercial fisher, the b&t stores, tourism, etc..
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.....but you don't spend the money in MA that you earn from catching fish in MA. Makes no economic sense at all for the state to let out of state commercials fish or sell here, unless they feel the MA commercial fleet by itself could not fill the state's quota. Gives away a significant part of the financial benefit from the state's commercial quota to neighboring states. Hard to see why they allow it.
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If you didnt have out of staters than the rec guys would be bitchin' about the com guys a few more weeks as the season stays open! :-)))) |
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If we didn't have out of state guys filling our state quota, then the guys that do live here & fish commercially would get a few more weeks to catch & sell fish & they would make more money is a season. |
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You make a profit in MA commercial fishing and you take it home with you.......otherwise you wouldn't be here. If you are as good as you make yourself out to be, then it is not a small profit either. That money benefits the state you spend it in. Presumably you pay taxes on it (although I'd bet many guys don't) and use the rest for your family's living expenses. That money in turn gets taxed and spent by others where you live (multiplier effect). If a million dollars leaves MA it results in several million dollars of lost economic activity. That is money that could be helping the people of MA. So explain to me again how it is in the State's interest to allow out of state utilization of our commercial quota? |
license is way too cheap for out of stater's. Hell you paid for that on a crappy trip with the price this year. I too don't care about time it takes to fill the limit. RI people aren't spending on food and lodging, etc.. I'd bet only a very small minority do as you do. Most just take a short trip over the border, make their $$ and spend all their cash in their own back yard. I guess you can tell I am against out of state use. Heck you may as well buy a summer home up here and become a resident for the summer.
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This is nothing. There is way too much illegal fishing buying/selling going on and no one is enforcing much of anything. 450 buck fine is laughable and provides more incentive to fish illegally than deterrent.
Game-fish status is the simplest answer given the level of enforcement we will ever have. Any complex quotas or slot limits CAN NOT be enforced and are worthless. Gamefish status, 1 fish rec take (any-size). |
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$460 is a few good fish.It really makes no sense for anyone in the commonwealth.I feel if there were reciprocation it would be worth considering,otherwise it is lose,lose for the state.Oh well,something else for people to whine about obviously.
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I think this is getting off track.This is about a poaching dirtbag.Not about rec/comm.
Oh yeah,I say throw everything that they can,at him,including illegal charters if that's the case(I think I read he's not a Cpt,right)If he's chartering illegally,that fine would probably be more than the poaching fines. |
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So, again, as a citizen of MA why should my family, my neighbors, and myself lose 10,000 dollars of economic activity so you can come here and sell fish? Talk about a resource grab....this one is a grand-daddy. |
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You are also smart enough to know that you have no valid argument as to why the current system allowing you to profit from the quota allocated to the residents of MA should be allowed to stand. Hence your obvious obfuscations and sudden convenient confusion. But for now, the system is what it is, you are well within your rights to fish here,.....and from my perspective dead fish are dead fish so I don't really care who kills them. Even though it would be nice to see more of the profit from killing them benefit the citizens of my state, it isn't happening anytime soon, so for now your can feel safe being smug........which obviously you also know.....but please spare us the phony rationalizations as to why it is all good and grand for the rest of us. |
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