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american spirit 10-14-2010 07:11 PM

went to a slammer infomericial a few years back
 
i'm sure they have their place, but the gags slammer i believe is what they are. no good, acts like a sail. casts 10 feet. i think it's more of a boat plug.

JohnnyD 10-14-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bart (Post 802109)
mambo minnows. they go by a different name now as Gags was bought out (i think), but the old ones and the new seem to have an issue where the back trebel rips through the plugs after one or two fish. I have about 6 of the old ones and one brand new one that have been rendered unfishable after minimal use. they do catch though...

Hmmm... what do you set your drag at?

I've landed multiple 40 inch fish on a single mambo and never had the rear treble pull - granted I have had to bend back or replace the hooks on that plug a couple times. I know some people that the back hook pulls out on a lot, and others (like myself) that it's never happened to.

Braided lines, extra strong swivels, 3x hooks, heavy drag... eventually, something has to give.

JohnnySaxatilis 10-14-2010 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishoholic (Post 802137)
not really a fan of tsunmai wood. I was given some to try and swimmers were crap. PP's caught and held up fairly well. Stay away from the swimmers. I like their plastics though.

tsunami wood jointed eels ive done well with this year, not taking anything big, but consistently catching on them. solid paint job i think, and quality hardware.... triple splits etc.. no jointed wood casts worth a damn however

afterhours 10-15-2010 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnySaxatilis (Post 802315)
no jointed wood casts worth a damn however

i beg to disagree- you just have'nt cast the right ones yet :).

Plum Crazy 10-15-2010 08:08 AM

They all suck. No wait a minute... it is I who suck.
I am zero on all plugs this year. (not for lack of trying) I'm just going to stick to bait.

Fishoholic 10-15-2010 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnySaxatilis (Post 802315)
tsunami wood jointed eels ive done well with this year, not taking anything big, but consistently catching on them. solid paint job i think, and quality hardware.... triple splits etc.. no jointed wood casts worth a damn however

I didn't try any of those, but all of the "round & flat nose swimmers" either had a funky action off the bat or after a few cast the lip became loose and would slide right or left. Also had a siwash fall off for no reason. No argument on the paint or finish. Just don't eat those paint chips if (or when) it flakes off!! :tm:


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Originally Posted by afterhours (Post 802355)
i beg to disagree- you just have'nt cast the right ones yet :).

Very true Don! :grins:

BigFish 10-15-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnySaxatilis (Post 802315)
tsunami wood jointed eels ive done well with this year, not taking anything big, but consistently catching on them. solid paint job i think, and quality hardware.... triple splits etc.. no jointed wood casts worth a damn however

I have to echo Don's sentiment!:uhuh:

Mike P 10-15-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vogt (Post 802175)
Also, any Gags wood is garbage IMO. The paint falls off very very quickly and the wood splits right away.

Actually, I thought that his Sea Special pencils were a pretty good buy when they were about $13.

Now that they run closer to $20, not so much.

DZ 10-15-2010 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 802231)
Boone needlefish. I don't believe they're made anymore, but if you see them anywhere, don't bother.

Not that I use them anymore but more than a few guys have mounts on the wall taken with a Boone needlefish. Don't sell them short...

DZ

fishbones 10-15-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DZ (Post 802520)
Not that I use them anymore but more than a few guys have mounts on the wall taken with a Boone needlefish. Don't sell them short...

DZ

I'm sure they were fine plugs back in the day, but over the years I think the quality may have slipped. I have one that's probably 10 years old and from the get go, the paint looked terrible and the screw eyes for the hooks had to be tightened after being used. I can't even figure out how they would become loose from normal fishing. As you know, there are some really great needlefish plugs being made today.

SAUERKRAUT 10-16-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rmarsh (Post 802067)
I have been disapointed with lures that have hooks that will marry or get hung up on each other on the cast. A certain custom wood plug I bought does this and it sucks.
Had the belly hook swivel snap off of a another companies needlefish on two consecutive nights. Two different needlefish same company.
I don't want to mention names here.

If you don't mention the needlefish in order to preserve PC-ness, then I will: Rhode Island Lures Cape Cod Cruiser needlefish.

chuckg 10-17-2010 02:26 PM

On the Mambos, there's a company in China, probably turns out a billion of them a year, sold under different names. You see them all the time for $3.00 at fishing shows. Netcraft used to sell the 7 inch model w/o hooks for $2.50/plug...

Gobi 10-17-2010 03:55 PM

Agree with you. They are absolute CRAP. (The one I'm referring to specifically was bought because they were priced right, or so I thought at the time. I figured RI company, cool. Well, then someone told me this particular plug is just a knock off made in China that uses a local name. I'm clarifying just so there's no confusion with any genuine RI lure maker. Kapish?)

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Originally Posted by SAUERKRAUT (Post 802789)
If you don't mention the needlefish in order to preserve PC-ness, then I will: Rhode Island Lures Cape Cod Cruiser needlefish.


Just n time 10-18-2010 06:46 AM

A dozen new plugs, :jump1:The salty's needle in various colors looks like a good foundation to start with.Everything is going to be new new new!!!

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 09:21 AM

Northbar Darters....

t.orlando 10-18-2010 02:09 PM

Lemire Plugs jitterbug. Baught 1 to goof around with, made 2 casts, each 1 fouled.

Fishoholic 10-18-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by joe the plumber (Post 803141)
Northbar Darters....

Really??

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishoholic (Post 803254)
Really??

Fishoholic,

I knew I would get a responce like yours....Yes,its true.I just can't seem to catch fish with these plugs and you know what that means....no confidence in it when I do fish it...Thats not the plugs fault.

I am sure it is a fine plug under the right conditions,so I'm not "really" cracking on it.Just responding with my answer to the post.

Joe

rizzo 10-18-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by american spirit (Post 802291)
i'm sure they have their place, but the gags slammer i believe is what they are. no good, acts like a sail. casts 10 feet. i think it's more of a boat plug.

I agree, they constant line catch, and tumble. I dont trust them at all for holding up to fish... BUT I know a guy that has taken two 50"+ fish on these lures from the shore. They work in a handful of unique circumstances.

Fishoholic 10-18-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joe the plumber (Post 803260)
Fishoholic,

I knew I would get a responce like yours....Yes,its true.I just can't seem to catch fish with these plugs and you know what that means....no confidence in it when I do fish it...Thats not the plugs fault.

I am sure it is a fine plug under the right conditions,so I'm not "really" cracking on it.Just responding with my answer to the post.

Joe

Thanks for the response. You are the first person I've heard knock them so I was curious. I know what you mean with the confidence thing. Until this year I had never caught a fish on a needle and consequently hated them. I'd never give them longer than 5 or 6 casts and I was re-tying.. I'd often think about what I would tie on after the needle before I even tied it on. It took several fish to finally gain some confidence in them.. Now I fish them all the time.. And actually catch stuff :buds:

BigFish 10-18-2010 03:31 PM

Just so you guys know its not just as easy as tying on a plug and BANG you catch fish on it!! Many plugs you really have to learn to use them and when you do....a properly worked plug can be devastating in certain situations!:uhuh:

rizzo 10-18-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by joe the plumber (Post 803260)
Fishoholic,

I knew I would get a responce like yours....Yes,its true.I just can't seem to catch fish with these plugs and you know what that means....no confidence in it when I do fish it...Thats not the plugs fault.

I am sure it is a fine plug under the right conditions,so I'm not "really" cracking on it.Just responding with my answer to the post.

Joe

The northbars were like a bass magnet for me this year. Best plug as far as numbers and size go. I'm thinking about trying them as skin plugs next year... I wouldn't give up on them yet!

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 803296)
Just so you guys know its not just as easy as tying on a plug and BANG you catch fish on it!! Many plugs you really have to learn to use them and when you do....a properly worked plug can be devastating in certain situations!:uhuh:

DAM!! And I thought it WAS that easy.....:grins:

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rizzo (Post 803297)
The northbars were like a bass magnet for me this year. Best plug as far as numbers and size go. I'm thinking about trying them as skin plugs next year... I wouldn't give up on them yet!

Ok....No BS. I'm gonna throw a couple in the bag for tomorrow night.I will let you guys know how I do.....Serious.

Joe

BigFish 10-18-2010 04:12 PM

I don't mean to sound insulting Joe but alot of guys think its just that easy?

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 803310)
I don't mean to sound insulting Joe but alot of guys think its just that easy?

Oh no...I don't think you sound insulting at all.Your comment was appropiate.I was just having a little fun because I agree with you.

You don't know me and its tough with this kind of communication.You can't see or hear the guy talking....I have a little sarcastic edge to my sence of humor.Just ask Gatta Fish....

Joe

jimmy z 10-18-2010 09:14 PM

Any plug that doesn't swim the way it is supposed to. Or the lack of action, thereof:)

BassDawg 10-19-2010 05:01 AM

ANY plug with~~~


,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,RHM emblazoned on the side,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

never have swum well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,prolly never will!
:smash: :smash: :smash:


hard tellin', not knowin',,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with Big F Larry's craftsmansheep!
as i haven't had the privelege of sending any of his wood to the sea.

am hoping to win one, shamelessly whore one, or perhaps find one
~~~wedged amongst the bubbleweed and lobster pots~~~
:bl: :bl: :bl:

Raven 10-19-2010 06:36 AM

so the plastic plugs according to Woody's comment
only differ in density
correct?

which allows them to be a slimmer profile

which might explain why wooden pencils are more consistent
fish catchers....:fishin:

just trying to get behind the "science" of shape and density here.:uhuh:

JohnR 10-19-2010 07:03 AM

Joe - the northbars work, haven't used them too often this year but I have caught on them.


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