there is so much irony there :)

The only thing I said as fact was that US companies didn't get preferential treatment. Maybe one of the ways to keep these threads from going to the dogs is for everyone not to make up stuff and present it as what someone else said.

great point......in terms of this thread.....you could begin with you :)

I think that when someone offers facts, which you so often demand and/or claim to be in command of, to you and you declare "so what" followed by a littany of wild speculation(which we know must surely be the result of learned analysis and meticulous research that "the masses" or most folks here aren't likely equipped to engage in or probably even understand) you are effectively illustrating one of the aspersions that you frequently cast at others from on high :1poke:

waaaait......are you doing this on purpose?....you clever, clever guy

And your point (still) is?

Keep believing this Eben, sure it was a bait & switch.

If you are going to go low enough to (mildly) attack someone with the TinFoilHat, please have the decency to use JPG images to save people the trouble.

My point is this.. The number one reason we invaded Iraq was about oil. All the other reasons were simply exaggerated truths and half lies to justify doing it.
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I apologize profusely, i was going to switch it up but thought the suspense of a couple of mouse clicks might be more exciting :)

I will refrain from saying what you are. Maybe I should post a picture instead.

It s strange that in your complaint about everyone (me?) making up stuff and presenting it as what someone else said, you quote yourself in exactly the way I quoted you. I did quote, exactly your words, it is "more likely" in my first response to Nebe's claim that you were "100% correct." And pointed out that it was a relative term derived from a possibillity or maybe. How you get that I was saying you presented the possibility as a fact is puzzling--I was clearly saying the opposite.

And about the family grudge thing that you switched to, I said it was a PSEUDO-fact, not that you presented it as a fact. Again, quite the opposite, implied by my following ironic observation on the "factual" substance of your "opinions."

The whole "fact" stuff in my posts was ironical retort to Nebe's really loving shutting down threads with "facts," neither of which he nor you, as you admit, actually presented in support of your claim that the Iraq invasion was "more likely" that they pushed a war in Iraq to benefit oil buddies. On the other hand, "maybe" you consider the Chinese, Russian, French, et. al., as Bush's oil buddies.

At any rate, as you say, the only thing you "said as fact" that U.S. oil companies didn't get preferential treatment, contradicts your opinion that "maybe" the invasion was to benefit "oil buddies," not withstanding, as Scottw points out, that you responded to my list of "facts" with a "So what?" and a "littany of wild speculation."

I don't know how you arrive at the order of importance to support your "point" (opinion?) that the "number one reason" for the invasion was "about oil." Even if that were true, it's a far more vague and encompassing statement than that it was about profitting oil buddies. Even Spence thinks it was more about strategic influence than simple cronyism. Besides, oil is Iraq's economic connection to the world and its economic life's blood. Letting a dictator usurp that blood for his own purpose instead of benefitting both the world at large and specifically the well being of Iraq and its people makes oil a more complex commodity than profit for oil buddies.

just make sure it's a .jpg and not a .bmp :uhuh::rotf2:

Saddam was also going to sell iraq's oil based on the euro, a move that could have weakened to dollar.
My point is this... If any of you don't think that our national security decisions are not based heavily on oil, you really new to open your eyes.
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Sorry for the typos.
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great point :think:

If anything should shut the door on this thread I'd think it would be this :hihi:

-spence