I really don't see where the need for shooting down a jet will ever come up again. I mean it's not like we will ever allow knifes on planes again.
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wacky would describe many of your statements which it appear to be leaving many here and most experts are quite shocked :uhuh:

'imminent threat'- Obama Administration Style

US Launched Deadly Drone Strike From Saudi Arabia: Reports - ABC News
However, the document says that by "imminent threat," the DOJ does not mean the U.S. government actually has to have "clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future," but rather a "broader concept of imminence" must take into consideration terrorists who are we know that napolitano has a very "broad concept" of who terrorists are and are likely to be...

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday that she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report, which lists returning veterans among terrorist risks to the U.S.

The Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) issued April 7 the nine-page document titled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.”

“The document on right-wing extremism sent last week by this department’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis is one in an ongoing series of assessments to provide situational awareness to state, local and tribal law enforcement agencies on the phenomenon and trends of violent radicalization in the United States,” Ms. Napolitano said in her statement.

Rightwing extremism,” the report said in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to “those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely.”

“It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration,” said the report, which also listed gun owners and veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars as potential risks."


"continually planning" attacks and the typically limited window during which a lethal operation may be conducted.




love that...."broader concept of imminence"...yada yada yada

Definition of IMMINENT
: ready to take place; especially : hanging threateningly over one's head <was in imminent danger of being run over
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im·mi·nence (m-nns)
n.
1. The quality or condition of being about to occur.
2. Something about to occur



broader definition...that's great....these guys have a broader definition/concept for everything that they deem appropriate

hindsight...noone knew that the first two were intended for the towers, you could say that the third should have been shot down as we then knew that the intention was to kill all on board and cause massive damage as a result of the fate of the first two but if the first one or two had been shot down not knowing where they were actually headed and given the history of hijackings....I think there would have been quite an uproar:uhuh:

"Killing an unarmed terrorist reading a book in a field, who is no imminent threat doesn't even meet the ROE for a drone strike in Afghanistan":

See, once again, you are making things up as you go along. According to the Geneva Convention, it is absolutely acceptable to kill enemy soldiers, even if they are asleep and thus not an imminent threat. Drone strikes aren't launched to kill terrorists who are literally in the act of trying to kill anybody, they aren't that precise (that's what snipers are for).

Spence, do you think that soldiers can only kill other soldiers in self defense? Those are the ROE's for police departments, not the standards in time of war.

Where do you get your "information"? Have you no shame? None at all? Spence, if you're going to make up jibberish, try not to invent jibberishthat is so demonstrably false. Try to at least fabricate something that might fool a 6 year-old.

apparently, if a "suspected" killer, terrorist, plotter or maybe just a former military single issue opposed to immigration authority rejecting antigovernment radical who is deemed an imminent threat using the "broader concept " of imminence and American citizen happens to escape our borders and take up residence in a foreign land, it would be OK? for the government to send a drone in and shoot a hellfire missile into where ever he's pulled off to the side of the road and having lunch?


I'm not defending these guys and not saying they don't deserve it but we do have laws and they are "suspects" and considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law aren't they? this sets a very bad precedent...especially with an administration that tortures and broadens definitions so frequently..........I count three American Citizens suspected of crimes executed without trials...just sayin'....kinda opens the door for all sorts of misbehaviour......
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He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.
Robert Gibbs Says Anwar al-Awlaki's Son, Killed By Drone Strike, Needs 'Far More Responsible Father'

Gibbs' comments were released the same day The Washington Post published an expose on the White House's growing database of people it believes it has the authority to kill without trial.

The American Civil Liberties Union warned Wednesday in a response that the policy of "bureaucratized paramilitary killing" is illegal and will backfire.

"Anyone who thought U.S. targeted killing outside of armed conflict was a narrow, emergency-based exception to the requirement of due process before a death sentence is being proven conclusively wrong," said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, in a statement. "The danger of dispensing with due process is obvious because without it, we cannot be assured that the people in the government's death database truly present a concrete, imminent threat to the country. What we do know is that tragic mistakes have been made, hundreds of civilian bystanders have died, and our government has even killed a 16-year-old U.S. citizen without acknowledging, let alone explaining his death.



no need to worry...it's not like they ever overreach or exceed their authority......:)