perhaps you've reached the point where you are the only one capable of understanding your nonsense?:biglaugh:

What evidence do you have that the process was sloppy and careless?
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Spence is part black I think. I mean,look at the chair he is getting rid of.... The fact he lives with his family is just a disguise.
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Sloppy and careless...U had the FBI, your president and Holder looking for a conviction....did U C your presidents face on TV after the grand jury did not convict?

Neither Holder or Obama should have been in Ferguson.

Who the hell would rebuild there ?
You got to feel bad for the black woman that had the store baking cakes & cookies.
Started with nothing, worked hard and built a successful business.
the complete oposite of the "it's not my fault" " I need a handout" scum that lit the fires.
She should take whatever donations given to her ( last report I saw it was up over 100k) and move the hell away from there.
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To "seek justice" can be a very sloppy phrase if the seeking is based on personal or group perspective rather than law. If the "you" for whom the system must work is a group and its particular perspective rather than all of society, then the "complete perspective," the law, is broken, and where we get to, where it goes, is the destruction (transformation) of society.

And when this "justice" sought for a group is based not on legal justice but on perceived historical grievance, then the particular case, Ferguson in this instance, is not about the observable facts and the concluding justice by law, rather the case is merely another springboard for furthering a group perspective. And when such a sought after justice is fueled by ideologues who's intention is to alter society for the benefit of a particular perspective and the group that holds it, then even the "community" is swept up beyond its local perspective and subsumed into a supposed monolithic structure of lockstep black communities. Such a monolith is, on its face, a fictional false one. There is great diversity in the supposed monolith, and the observable facts are that those within it who walk in more independent shoes following values of self-reliance, work ethic, so-called traditional American values, succeed on a far greater scale than those who subscribe to the ideological perspective of the Sharptons and their destructive get nowhere agenda.

Maybe Big "O" will have a beer-gate meeting with him?

Remember Henry Gates?
Remember the WHITE police officer that was the center of questioning his handling the BLACK man's attempt to break into his house?

Or more soundly, the "witness" that called the police (a close friend of mine) who was thrown under the bus by the whoring media and left to answer death threats and violent phone calls all by herself?

This is just a travesty, an utter disgrace that someone who's only contribution to the world is that he was able to set his own race's advancements back 50 years, that he is having a special meeting with the prez.

This also goes to more directly define the character (or lack of) of Obama.

Boy, I'm glad I haven't voted D in decades!!!!!

The process worked perfectly.
The prosecutor's job is to help the grand jury decide the truth not to get a conviction.
The truth came out
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Amen

Now in New York ....
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The testimony and case is 100% available on the NYT website. 63 witnesses and the grand Jury could not indict the cop.

Is it possible Brown was just an a hole? I don't know just sick of the effing BS. No one makes excuses for me. No al sharptons coming to my defense if I attack a cop and get killed because of it. Sorry these people including the president need to stop sugar coating and making excuses for people. I don't hate. I don't do anything racially motivated I am friends with all people. What happened in ferguson seems pretty cut and dry to me and I have read a lot of the testimony. Much of the investigation was conducted by the FBI not local authorities.
Certainly there were witnesses that stated they saw Wilson shoot brown while he was kneeling. One was "mike Browns best friend" there were also witnesses that stated they had received pressure from the community to not testify to the facts. One individual came forward to say he had been told not to testify by individuals in the community. But he couldn't let an Innocent man be found guilty(Wilson).
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As scottw said, inviting the guy to the White House to ask his advice on an urgent situation, isn't exactly a photo op. I heard Sharpton has been to the White House 82 times since Obama was elected. No idea if that's true. I have no reason to doubt it,given the company that our President has historically kept. Unbelievable that anyone who sat in Rev Wright's church for decades could get elected POTUS...

The job of the prosecutor is to present the information they choose to the grand jury so they can determine probable cause.

In the Ferguson case they assigned a prosecutor with a long history of bias towards the police. The long rambling defense of Wilson was bizarre and only reinforced that belief.

It wouldn't surprise me if the DOJ moves to keep local prosecutors from handling cases like this to ensure the integrity of the process is maintained.

The New York announcement this week was stunning.

Wait until Jim sees Ben Carson comparing the US to Nazi Germany. He is going to be bringing that up for the next 10 years.

Jim . . . PLEASE, PLEASE, don't respond to this.

Given the video of him intimidating the store clerk it's safe to assume he had a streak.

Have you actually read the transcript of Wilson's account? It doesn't make Brown out to be a jerk, he paints a picture of a crazed person with a death wish. It's almost hard to believe.

It's all in the grand jury documents released. Multiple instances of failure to follow processes, potential influencing of witnesses, destruction of evidence, lack of evidence collection etc...

The good news is, in this country, we don't send defendents to jail just because you don't buy their version of the story. The burden is much higher, as it should be.

You don't get to struggle with police, you just don't. You put your hands up and submit, and THEN you get to take advantage of all the protections that our system provides.

Jim in CT - "This is why it is different. Yada, Yada, Liberalism, Yada"

Less expected than the Ferguson verdict.

Again, the deceased swattd ta th ecops as they tried to handcuff him. NO ONE deserves to die for that, but does anyone believe this guy would be dead if he let the cops do what they tried to do? I didn't see cops on a death hunt in this video, I saw cops approaching this guy with lots of caution and reserve. It escalated AFTER the deceased refused to let the cops handcuff him, and once again, you don't get to do that.

I purposely avoided his testimony. My preference was to read testimony of individuals with no perceived "dog in the fight" if you will.

To be honest I feel the case is jaded in hysteria. Many of the witnesses stated as soon as it all happened people who did not witness the event were stating "he shot him for no reason" "he was on his knees"

I agree the NY case is shocking that one I feel should have brought a charge, particularly given video evidence of the event. With the number of officers on the scene, one individual seemingly chose to take action. I am glad the federal government is looking into that one
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Why stunning? I am not influenced in this matter by media bias. I don't know what evidence the grand jury heard. If there was some intentional corruption in the process, it would be one of the duties of the free press to expose that.

Was Wilson trying to make Brown out to be a "jerk"? Did the video make him out to be a jerk. A jerk can be offensive, but that does not make him a criminal. The video shows Brown to be a criminal. A lawbreaker, not a jerk. His actions against Wilson were criminal, not the actions of a jerk. Nor, as far as I've read, did Wilson say that Brown looked like he had a death wish. I don't think that kind of wish could be detected in facial expressions. You inserted that to intensify your depiction. Maybe just your perspective?

But, gee, doesn't Wilson have a right to his perspective. I thought you were a proponent of perspectives?

Carson' statement (unless he was borrowing my tactic of using hyperbole, and it appears that is not the case) is absurd.

Carson did state that in the Obama era, people are afraid to say what they feel, and I think a greayt case can be made for that. Anyone who questions the liberal agenda is cast as a racist, bigoted, sexist, homophobic hatemonger. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that. Is that the same thing as sending me to a chlorine shower? No. Does it carry the odor of light facism? Yes.

Good enough?

A lot of good kids steal stuff, doesn't make it right but his behavior towards the clerk shows his attitude.

There's a big gap between intimidating a store clerk and attacking a uniformed officer and taunting said officer to shoot him as Wilson claimed.

As I said your responsive would include a "here is why it is different" explanation. It is laughable to compare being called sexist to comparing your country to a group of people who murdered millions. What a freakin joke.

So pls. show where anyone here "who questions the liberal agenda is cast as a racist, bigoted, sexist, homophobic hatemonger" as you repeatedly say that over and over? I've only read a very, very small amount of times where that happens (and not here).

Are you gonna call out Carson every time he is mentioned like you seem to bring up the Duke case (for what 10 years later) and try in your convoluted way to link in to liberals?

It would appear that while the grand jury has a lot of power the prosecutor is very influential in shaping the environment in which they work. This one even had a lot of family that wore a badge.

I don't think they have to nationalize the process. The state could ensure it's managed properly. That's not to say it would change the outcome but the people would likely have more faith the process. Seems like there's a high potential for a conflict of interest.

Stunning in that you have a video which clearly show an officer using an improper use of force against someone who while agitated didn't appear to be an imminent threat to the police or those around him. I believe the officer didn't intend to kill him and the guys health likely played a big factor. But even if you give the police the benefit of doubt it's not a free for all.

"It is laughable to compare being called sexist to comparing your country to a group of people who murdered millions"

I agree, which is why, if you read my post, I said Carson's comment was "absurd". I didn't think there was a lot of ambiguity in my description.

"I've only read a very, very small amount of times where that happens (and not here)."

That's your opinion Paul, I'm not a professional media watchdog, i don't have a staff tracking these things.

Obama himself, in 2008, said "they", meaning McCain, would try to make folks afraid of the fact that he's black.

Obama said very recently, and I posted this here, that Republicans "gotta stop just hating all the time".

Paul Ryan says, correctly, that SS and Medicare are not syustainable. The next day, there are commercials of Ryan pushing a wheelchair-bound lady off a cliff.

Many influential liberals routinely call out the Koch brothers by name, blaming them for everything that is wrong with the universe. I've never actually seen that before in my life, where elected officials routinely call out 2 law-abiding Americans like that.

But you're right, this isn't a divisive administration, and everyone who says it is, is wrong.

"Are you gonna call out Carson every time he is mentioned like you seem to bring up the Duke case "

I see no connection between these 2 things. Carson is a private citizen who made an idiotic comment. The Duke kids were absolutely innocent of the serious charges brought against them, but the folks on your side couldn't refrain from sacrificing all of them (constitution, shmonstitution) on the altar of white guilt and political correctness.

I still bring up that case, because as we learned in ferguson, none of the liberal idiots learned a damn thing from the Duke case. So it still seems to apply.