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If you were told there was a shooter at your kids' elementary school, a shooter whose goal was to kill as many kids as possible before dying, and you choices were (1) wait for the police to show up, or (2) have armed teachers in the school, in that situation, I can't believe any meaningful number of people would pick #1. Now, thank goodness these shootings are rare, and on 99.99% of school days, you can make a compelling case that kids are safer with no guns in school. But once there's a shooter hellbent on random mass murder? I don't think any meaningful number of parents would pick #1. |
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"it is a pretty egregious thing to state that if you don't actually know it I apologize, didn't mean it that way, but I hear you. "I don't know one of them who is promoting armed teachers" I don't either. I was speculating. I'm very comfortable with the speculation. How about if I phrase it this way, instead of making a specific reference...I'm comfortable that 99% of parents out there, when informed there is a mass shooter at school determined to kill as many children as possible before being stopped by police, would rather have armed teachers than wait for the police. I'm sure I am correct. If you or Paul disagree, can you tell me on what basis you'd rather wait for the cops to show up? Because of the chance that if the teacher tried to intervene, he'd shoot innocent kids? That's obviously a possibility, which is why I'd rather see soldiers in the schools than armed teachers. But it's incredibly unlikely that someone trying to intervene, could accidentally cause nearly the carnage of someone trying to cause as much carnage as possible. |
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We've long past beaten this to death. In your NPR article, I saw 1 family (just the husband actually) speak against the idea. If there was more than one family speaking against arming teachers, I was 100% wrong. "a way to get the Conserv. anger going' I'm not even a little bit angry. How come when you challenge me, you don't admit to being foaming-at-the-mouth angry? It's only a symptom of anger, when I challenge you? Paul if you heard there was a shooter at a school that your little kids were in, and you had every reason to believe that it was one of these shooters whose only goal was to kill as many children as possible before being stopped...you'd rather wait for the police to show up, than have an armed teacher intervene? I'm not asking whether or not you want guns the other 99.999% of the time, I mean in that godawful scenario? You really think the expected body count is lower, by waiting for the cavalry to show up? I can't fathom how you could think that. I'm opposed to arming teachers, because I think the harm (accidental shootings) outweighs the benefit I think would be gained during the unthinkable (and rare) mass shootings. But if I knew a mass shooting was taking place? I see no benefit in waiting and praying, then you are at the mercy of someone who has no mercy. |
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I understand emotionally how one can say if there were only more people with guns the problem would be cured. However i think if you do a "cost benefit" analysis of the situation wherein 10 of the 50 million school age children are killed by guns in schools and we are going to solve it by putting armed guards in all 125,000 schools in the USA.
Let's see if we have more than 10 die from Negligent discharge or other associated causes. Now if you want to talk about the children killed or injured by guns outside of school, I could only hope that you are not convinced that having more guns would solve that also. |
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump I never said “give teachers guns” like was stated on Fake News @CNN & @NBC. What I said was to look at the possibility of giving “concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best. 20% of teachers, a lot, would now be able to Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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I’ll explain it in simple terms The president Donald Trump suggested that 20% of teachers (qualified)would carry firearms I assume you think that is less than are currently in schools Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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"I understand emotionally how one can say if there were only more people with guns the problem would be cured." no one has said more more people with guns would "cure the problem".... it's easy to make a false statement like that, argue against it and then claim that anyone that disagrees with you must be crazy....it's done here on a regular basis Trump wrote..and I quote from you..."What I said was to look at the possibility of giving “concealed guns to gun adept teachers with military or special training experience - only the best. 20% of teachers" that is an entirely reasonable statement...especially for Trump...and bears no resemblance to what you wrote and claim some have said or "one can say" what has been said and is obvious is that if someone is shooting at you and those around you in one of these situations...your BEST chance for survival is if someone has the ability to shoot back....you may not realize it but there are a lot of people who carry concealed weapons...could be standing behind you in the grocery store...you would never know...I worked with a guy for years who was always carrying....he never shot out a ceiling tile or anything else....no one suggested forcing a bunch of teachers to carry guns and strap ammo belts across their chests like is being portrayed....I'm sure if it was ever put forward snowflake teachers and unions would freak and organize walkouts anyway....but schools would obviously be safer if it had employees, teachers or others who had the ability and training to shoot back if there were a situation.....there's that and in the Florida case...if they actually held that kid accountable rather than what did happen where a bunch of liberals were busy stroking each other and handing out awards to each other for keeping bad kids out of the criminal justice system so they could stay in the schools and terrorize their teachers and classmates...I'm not sure what "the cure" is for that kind of stupidity |
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Jan 18, 2018 - A student was stabbed at New Rochelle High School, police say, the second one to be injured in a fight after a 16-year-old girl died in another stabbing last week. Monday, December 18, 2017 Bronx school where student was stabbed to death to be shut down Dec 19, 2017 - BROWNSVILLE, Brooklyn — A student was stabbed near a Brownsville high school and then ran inside the school for help Tuesday afternoon, officials said. November 7th 2017 , Ga -- A 14-year-old student is being detained, while a 15-year-old is being treated for stab wounds after a stabbing this morning at Ballard-Hudson Middle School. Jan 23, 2018 - Two Lincoln High School students stabbed each other during an altercation between the two on Tuesday, the San Diego Unified School District (SDUSD) confirmed. Feb 22, 2018 - A Lawrenceville teen accused of stabbing his father and brother before fleeing police Wednesday afternoon had been sent home from school hours earlier for bringing a knife to campus. Feb 25, 2018 - A first-year student in the University of New England's College of Osteopathic Medicine was stabbed to death Saturday morning inside a public library in Massachusetts. Jan 11, 2018 - Two students have been hospitalized after police say a third student attacked them with a knife at a Prince George's County high school Thursday morning. Mar 5, 2018 - Castroville boy, 12, in stable condition after stabbed at school. ... A student was viciously stabbed in the chest by another student at North Monterey County Middle School in Castroville Monday morning, according to deputies. Jan 18, 2018 - A 16-year-old boy was stabbed by another student inside New Rochelle High School on Thursday morning, the third violent incident in the past eight days involving students from the school. Jan 27, 2018 - An 18-year-old Valley Community School student reportedly stabbed another student Friday in Los Banos and was arrested for attempted murder. Feb 19, 2018 - A student at Permian High School was stabbed three times following a fight after school on Monday. Jan 30, 2018 - “He said, 'Well, Mom, I hope I don't get stabbed today,' ” Martinez, 47, recalled. Gianni told The Post that after the third violent incident, “Everybody was panicking. “Like, who's next? What's going to happen?” he said. Feb 6, 2018 - Police say a 16-year-old male student from Parkdale High student was stabbed multiple times during an incident near the school grounds in Prince George's County. Feb 19, 2018 - ODESSA, TX — A 15-year-old student has been arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, a second-degree felony. The charges against him came following a stabbing at Permian High School today. |
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Or are you suggesting #5 5 classic responses after mass shooting or mention of gun control A good guy with a gun would have stopped it Shooters target gun-free zones No laws could have prevented the tragedy Terrorists and criminals aren't deterred by laws Guns are just a tool, like knives and hammers |
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that was just a tiny sample from the past couple of months...I got bored |
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I was joking about the NKA...but apparently such a thing exists.... "Without a dedicated grassroots organization to protect our knives, they are an easy target for those who seek restrictions on our freedoms. Knife Rights is that dedicated grassroots organization." |
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it's sad that you don't care about the carnage regularly being caused by knives in our nation's schools
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A 13-year-old girl in Mississippi has died after allegedly being shot by her nine-year-old brother over a video game, police say.
"He's just nine," Monroe County Sheriff Cecil Cantrell told the Clarion Ledger. "I assume he's seen this on video games or TV. I don't know if he knew exactly what this would do. I can't answer that. I do know it's a tragedy." he knew were the gun was an knew how to use it , but lets blame Tv and Video games ... when access is the issue |
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Want secure borders? You must by a xenophobe. Opposed to Black Lives Matter? You are a racist. Think Christian bakers have constitutional rights? You are a homophobe. Think unborn babies are precious? You are a sexist who hates women. Think Islamic jihadists are an issue? You are an Islamophobe. Think schools should not be promoting liberal rallies during school time, but instead should be, I don't know, teaching? You don't care about dead kids. Shame on you Scott. Shame on you. |
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