Bill Clinton is still very popular with democrats, and unless i has a stroke this morning, Hilary was the democratic presidential nominee in 2016.

WDMSO, your side is very very comfortable nominating people
who have horrible ethics. that’s ok, because some of them, like bill clinton, were decent presidents. but it means you can’t wag your finger and lecture republicans when we do the same exact thing.

is paying off a porn star, which he did before he was a politician, worse than what Clinton did while in office? Debatable i guess. Both men are reptiles. Both made the country better in my opinion. i can live with the moral lapses if they implement policies which improve the country.
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Clinton got impeached for lying under oath. Do we know that Trump lied under oath?

There is an investigation of Trumps connection with Russia, and if possible campaign finance violations. no charges yet, so it seems like you think you know more than the investigators who haven’t indicted him (yet).

Trump is a snake. As of right now, we don’t know if he committed an impeachable offense. If he did, i want him impeached. You want him impeached regardless of whether or not he committed an impeachable offense, because you don’t like him. I don’t like him either, but I like following the rules.
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Well Fellatrix and Felon both start with F
So they are the same
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Consensual but still highly unethical.
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Worthy of impeachment ??? Doubtful.
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the law says that when the two parties are from unequal places on the .org chart, that it can’t be consensual. this is why teachers cannot get involved with students, even if the student is 18. in any event, bill didn’t get into trouble for the fling, he got into trouble for
lying about it under oath. you seem to think he got impeached because if the fling - nope. and maybe you don’t care, but i’d say it’s also horrible when the man is married and has children.
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the ability for an intern to give consent to the president, is debatable. so you think teachers should
be able to get involved with students, if the student is above the
minimum age of consent? the difference in authority, doesn’t effect the ability to give consent? i guess you’re not into the whole me too movement then, most were above the age of consent.
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I think you’re confusing current CT law with Federal law, and also consider attitudes towards this stuff are a lot different now versus 1995.
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didn't clinton sign that legislation in to law? :rotf3:

for some .....:kewl:

nice dodge. i asked you what you think. don’t want to share? Many states, in addition to CT, make it illegal for students to get involved with teachers.

Again, afraid to tell us what you think?
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Apples and oranges. With teachers you have the potential for a power imbalance but also for the student to use sex to get preferential treatment. I’m not sure it needs to be illegal if the ages of consent are within range but it’s still unethical and should carry a penalty.

If everyone is an adult the situation is a bit different but certainly carries clear ethics and moral risks.
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so you’re saying that imbalance cannot exist in a professional relationship between adults. no matter how far apart the difference in position?
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With Presidents you have the potential for a power imbalance but also for the intern to use sex to get preferential treatment. I’m not sure it needs to be illegal if the ages of consent are within range but it’s still unethical and should carry a penalty.


BTW he wasn't impeached by the house for sexual relations with monica so i don't know why you keep beating the dead horse

they beat that horse, even though it’s bullish•t, because it sounds better than admittimg th e truth, that he was impeached for lying under oath.
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Meh...
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so it’s no biggie when a democrat lies under oath, but when
a republican behaves badly, that needs to be addressed.
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Jim So do you have the ability to to see things objectively?

You are a 100% correct he lied under oath as POTUS...

About a blow job .....

when presented in context with white water and all the other Conservative investigations against clintons and blue dress is the best they could do.. its speaks a lot about your party historically

But when confronted with Guilty pleas lining up against Trumps inner circle all the information ... you want impeachable offense?? are you suggesting its a witch hunt ?, it wont be for lying he'll never testify under oath

you falsely claim I want him impeached regardless of whether or not he committed an impeachable offense, because you don’t like him

He is an embarrassment to the united states a Liar a bully and has no respect for the institutions of the US ... your correct I do not like Him because of his actions his words not solely because he has an R next to his name . vote him out or impeach him were stuck with him for 2 more years as this plays out anyway ...

he is the only captain of a ship who is not responsible for anything his people do or say while the serve under him??

:smash:

i’m way more objective than you. i thought Bill Clinton was a decent president who was a scumbag. as with trump, i’m not nearly as concerned with bedside manner as i am with results. But when he was obviously guilty of committing a crime, i was in favor of impeachment. He also got disbarred. When lawyers feel youvare too unethical to associate with them, that’s really something.

I say the same exact thing about Trump. A good president who is also clearly a scumbag. I want him investigated ( some say he will be indicted, some like liberal alan dershowitz say there’s zero evidence he broke the law). if he broke the law, he has to pay for it. if he didn’t, let’s move on at some point?

I’m way way more consistent and objective than you are, im applying the same exact standards to clinton and trump. Zero difference. Zip.
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thank you!
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as for trump not respecting things...from where i sit, he respects people like me, he respects cops, he respects the military, a hell of a lot more than Obama ever did. Those things may not matter to some people, but they matter to me. Also, you let me know when the Little Sisters Of The Poor successfully sue Trump for trampling on their religious rights ( that happened with Obama, also with Hobby Lobby), and let me know when Trump is using the IRS as a club against political opponents.

it doesn’t bother you when obama disrespects fundamental institutions, or when he trampled on the constitution when it served his agenda. you only get worked up when trump does it. That’s the textbook definition of a hypocrite.

Try making that wrong...go ahead.
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Sooner or later you'll find out just how much he respects you.
Trump claims to respect cops but consistently disrespects our legal institutions and the rule of law.
He claims to respect the military but uses them for political purposes and in two years has yet to go to a combat zone.
He has been at best selective on religious rights, but admittedly perfect if you are a evangelical christian.
And once again you cite baloney to claim that Obama did something, surprised you don't want to see his birth certificate.
https://www.newsweek.com/remember-ir...l-along-681674
Trump would love to use the Justice Department as a club as he has said many times, luckily they believe in the rule of law.

i said trump respects people
like me ( conservative white
people who are middle class) more than obama, and that’s true. i don’t care if Trump respects me as a person, i don’t need him to respect me, i need him to help the economy grow ( like obama did) so i can retire some day.

i don’t think most of the
military feels that trump doesn’t have their backs. and he doesn’t endlessly bash white cops.

Trump has been selective in religious rights? please elaborate? whose rights has he trampled on?
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I realize you think Trump respects you, but he's playing you for a fool.
If is politically expedient for us to fail in the future as long as there is the appearance of success at the current time, he has no issue with the final results being bad as long as his ratings are good.
His military approval rating was little different than Obamas and is dropping.
" President Donald Trump’s approval rating among active-duty military personnel has slipped over the last two years, leaving today’s troops evenly split over whether they’re happy with the commander in chief’s job performance, according to the results of a new Military Times poll of active-duty service members.

About 44 percent of troops had a favorable view of Trump’s presidency, the poll showed, compared to 43 percent who disapproved.

The results from the survey, conducted over the course of September and October, suggest a gradual decline in troops’ support of Trump since he was elected in fall 2016, when a similar Military Times poll showed that 46 percent of troops approved of Trump compared to 37 percent who disapproved. That nine-point margin of support now appears gone."

Pretty much anyone other than conservative white
people who are middle class evangelical Christians have had their rights trampled on.

The Department of Health and Human Services created a new civil rights division to protect medical personnel who, based on their religious beliefs, refuse to treat patients -- regardless of the patient's needs or access to alternative providers. So religious freedom means the freedom to discriminate.
In February, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos proposed spending over $1 billion on private school vouchers and other school choice plans. Based on existing voucher programs, a lot of that money would have ended up subsidizing religious schools if Congress had approved the funds.
The Department of Education also announced its desire to change rules that prohibit federal education funding for faith-based entities, and has re-opened the public comment period to begin the process. Some of those funds may well end up subsidizing religious schools that teach creationism and declare climate science a hoax. So religious freedom means the freedom to undermine science at taxpayer expense.
Top officials -- such as Vice President Mike Pence -- have repeatedly committed to overturning Roe v. Wade, despite the fact that 63% of Americans support it, and now they have a Supreme Court nominee who might help do just that. So religious freedom means forcing one interpretation of religion on everyone.
President Donald Trump has (so far unsuccessfully) tried to get rid of the Johnson Amendment to let religious leaders explicitly endorse candidates from the pulpit. So religious freedom means compromising the separation of church and state, allowing people to use religion for partisan advantage and politics to build religious power.

he’s not playing me for a fool, i know exactly what he is, moreso than you. My god, every syllable from you is pure paranoid fantasy. Take off the tinfoil hat, stop howling at the moon, and talk sense.

What is he doing to hurt our future, other than accumulating debt, which obama also did and we all know you didn’t complain about that.

Whose rights has he trampled? Sure he has had his wrist slapped by courts, as obama also did. What trampling of rights has he implemented?

“religious freedom means the right to discriminate.”.

i encourage you to actually read the first amendment. it says the right to freely practice religion shall not be infringed. It does not say “unless someone else is being seriously inconvenienced.”. It’s easy to respect others rights when it doesn’t cost you anything. the true test, is if you reapect the conatitution when it hurts you to do so.

most poor people support school choice and vouchers. only those pressured by teachers unions oppose it. i thought liberals were in favor of “choice”? Pretty sure i heard that somewhere.

As to roe v wade, slavery was settled law, so was segregation. until the christian right helped eliminate those things. Roe v wade isn’t in any danger.

“separation of church and state” does not mean that religion cannot influence politics. It means the government cannot officially endorse one religion. The words “separation of church and state” aren’t in the constitution. In fact, it’s obvious ( perhaps not to you) that the founding fathers relied heavily on judeo christian principles to found the nation.

would do you good to actually sit down and read what the constitution actually says, instead of listening to what msnbc claims
it says.
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I see pete has already begun his holiday drinking

they’re acting like he has already set up concentration camps within our borders. i must have missed that news story.

Trump is a jerk, his style is offensive to many people, and he thinks that’s all our fault.

But how is he trampling on our republic, exactly?
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https://youtu.be/lkz7xgsPGmQ
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Oh for f*ck's sake, you think he was being literal?

Obama went on camera and said Republicans needed to get to the back of the bus. It never occurred to me, not for a second, that he meant it literally.

That's the best you have? You are seriously afraid that Trump will drag you to 5th Ave in NY and shoot you?

Deranged. Totally unhinged.