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Pete F. 09-26-2019 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174950)
which you’ve said how many times before, which turned out to be zip?
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Not zip

Rep. Will Hurd
@HurdOnTheHill
There is a lot in the whistleblower complaint that is concerning. We need to fully investigate all of the allegations addressed in the letter, and the first step is to talk to the whistleblower.
9:18 AM · Sep 26, 2019

spence 09-26-2019 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174953)
so doing an investigation when there’s obvious evidence of Biden nepotism, is nothing more than getting dirt.
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There is no obvious evidence, in fact there is no evidence.
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 09:18 AM

And if you are watching Maguire's testimony, the security agent behind Maguire comes from the CIA’s protection division.

Fun fact: They have unique, limited federal authority—cannot arrest you, but can kill you.

Jim in CT 09-26-2019 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174954)
Not zip

Rep. Will Hurd
@HurdOnTheHill
There is a lot in the whistleblower complaint that is concerning. We need to fully investigate all of the allegations addressed in the letter, and the first step is to talk to the whistleblower.
9:18 AM · Sep 26, 2019

i agree it’s concerning. the remedy is the next election, not undoing the last one.
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Jim in CT 09-26-2019 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1174955)
There is no obvious evidence, in fact there is no evidence.
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not when you refuse to look at it.
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174957)
i agree it’s concerning. the remedy is the next election, not undoing the last one.
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The idea that we should "let the voters decide" on Trump in 2020 is nonsense.

The public doesn't vote on whether people have committed crimes against the nation.

Though this presidency does look like a reality show it isn't an episode of "America's Got Treason".

scottw 09-26-2019 09:52 AM

Peto’s post are a crime
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Got Stripers 09-26-2019 10:09 AM

I guess I’m confused, don’t people rush to cover up something when they realize criminal behavior had taken place? Allowing criminal behavior to get a pass, suggesting we should let the 2020 election resolve it sets a very dangerous standard of conduct we will allow our elected officials to behave in.
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scottw 09-26-2019 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1174955)
There is no obvious evidence, in fact there is no evidence.
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it's pretty obvious...

scottw 09-26-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1174962)

I guess I’m confused

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also obvious

detbuch 09-26-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174956)
And if you are watching Maguire's testimony, the security agent behind Maguire comes from the CIA’s protection division.

Fun fact: They have unique, limited federal authority—cannot arrest you, but can kill you.

Isn't Maguire the guy you falsely said threatened to quit? After he gets slandered by you and Schiff and the Dems, he may well need protection.

scottw 09-26-2019 10:51 AM

Biden Inc...


Presidential candidate Joe Biden’s brother used the former vice president’s cancer initiative to drum up investment in his business, Politico reported Thursday.

In November 2018, James Biden told executives at Florida-based company Integrate Oral Care that the Biden Cancer Initiative would promote an oral rinse used by cancer patients and produced by Integrate, according to Michael Frey, the CEO of Diverse Medical Management, a health care firm that is currently suing James Biden.

Frey said that James Biden “said his brother would be very excited about this product.”

David Fuscus, a spokesman for James Biden, denied Frey’s allegations. “These charges stem from a frivolous lawsuit and are pure fantasy,” said Fuscus, continuing, “We are not surprised that such baseless accusations have emerged during the Democratic primaries.”

This is not the first accusation that members of Joe Biden’s family have been accused of using their connections to the former vice president to promote their business interests.

In August 2019 it was reported that both Diverse Medical Management and Azzam Medical Services had sued James Biden, alleging the former vice president’s younger brother had offered to partner with them in a scheme designed to steal the companies’ business models and intellectual property.

detbuch 09-26-2019 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1174899)
It is impeachable to ask a foreign government to interfere in an election. Which is what happened.
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So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

Jim in CT 09-26-2019 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174975)
So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

exactly. using their logic, that would be an impeachable offense. i guess a potus can only ask for a favor if it will hurt him politically, or maybe during his second term when he can’t run again.

when FDR asked england to help
us on D-day, that was an impeachable offense. because it helped him politically.
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174975)
So, if China agreed with a Trump trade deal that actually stopped its stealing of secrets and balanced trade with the US (which would greatly enhance Trump's chances of winning the next election), would he have asked China to interfere with the election?

Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174977)
exactly. using their logic, that would be an impeachable offense. i guess a potus can only ask for a favor if it will hurt him politically, or maybe during his second term when he can’t run again.

when FDR asked england to help
us on D-day, that was an impeachable offense. because it helped him politically.
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So you think
What IF in 1940
FDR called Churchill
& in response to UK’s request for weapons said, “We’ve always been good to your country, but I would like to ask a favor... open an investigation on Wendell Wilkie”???
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Jim in CT 09-26-2019 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174979)
Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

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but yesterday, before anyone was aware of any attempted coverup, liberals were saying that the impeachable offense was asking a foreign power for a favor that would help him politically.

just for a moment, let’s put any cover up stories aside...

is it, or is it not, an impeachable
offense for a president to ask a foreign leader for a favor which would benefit the president politically?

hard to keep up with the moving goalposts. first there was a quid pro quo, then when that was disproved the offense was the political benefit, now the offense is burying records?
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174981)
but yesterday, before anyone was aware of any attempted coverup, liberals were saying that the impeachable offense was asking a foreign power for a favor that would help him politically.

just for a moment, let’s put any cover up stories aside...

is it, or is it not, an impeachable
offense for a president to ask a foreign leader for a favor which would benefit the president politically?

hard to keep up with the moving goalposts. first there was a quid pro quo, then when that was disproved the offense was the political benefit, now the offense is burying records?
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Impeachable offense doesn’t change
The Stable Genius took an oath to uphold the Constitution
He used aid to attempt to get a political advantage for himself
Game over
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:24 AM

Did you read the whistleblowers report?
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Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:25 AM

DNI just said that the most urgent threat America faces is not a military strike from a foreign nation but an attempt to undermine the integrity of our election system. Let that sink in.
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detbuch 09-26-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174979)
Would the Stable Genius lock that up in a special safe place.
Would WH staff be talking to WH legal staff about it and Trump’s involvement.
Would anyone blow a whistle about it

I think neither Trump or you can spin the whistleblowers report

I was responding to Nebe's post. I thought the yardstick was interfering with an election.

As for the whistleblower stuff, Maguire pointed out good legal stuff that cast a lack of credibility or legal pertinence re it. As well, the whistleblower transcript didn't jive with the phone transcript.

Pete F. 09-26-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1174986)
I was responding to Nebe's post. I thought the yardstick was interfering with an election.

As for the whistleblower stuff, Maguire pointed out good legal stuff that cast a lack of credibility or legal pertinence re it. As well, the whistleblower transcript didn't jive with the phone transcript.

This is like the watergate break-in using a foreign government through the enticement of military arms sales. Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history: Iran-contra-watergate.
Just keep spinning
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detbuch 09-26-2019 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174985)
DNI just said that the most urgent threat America faces is not a military strike from a foreign nation but an attempt to undermine the integrity of our election system. Let that sink in.
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Yes, let that sink in. The fake Russia collusion fiasco was a prime example of attempting to undermine that integrity. It appears, as well, that this whistleblower thing is another attempt. As well was Biden's corrupt extortion of Ukraine a collateral besmirch and belittling of our election system.

As well, all the piling on mischaracterization of Trump being a Nazi, misogynist, racist, homophobe, genderphobe, blah--blah, is a huge attempt to undermine the integrity of our election system.

detbuch 09-26-2019 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174987)
This is like the watergate break-in using a foreign government through the enticement of military arms sales. Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history: Iran-contra-watergate.
Just keep spinning
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What was my spin, exactly? And your spin in this post is blatant.

spence 09-26-2019 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1174958)
not when you refuse to look at it.
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Can't look at what's not there. Trump and Rudy spouting conspiracy theories isn't evidence.

detbuch 09-26-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174983)
Impeachable offense doesn’t change
The Stable Genius took an oath to uphold the Constitution
He used aid to attempt to get a political advantage for himself
Game over

This is gibberish. Your constant spinning has made you dizzy.

scottw 09-26-2019 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174987)

Trump managed to combine two of the biggest scandals in presidential history:


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this is the biggest scandal in Presidential history

Pete F. 09-26-2019 12:58 PM

Trump tweeted today

A whistleblower with second hand information? Another Fake News Story! See what was said on the very nice, no pressure, call. Another Witch Hunt!

Odd that the whistleblower got the details close without seeing the memo, it would be close to impossible to make them up months ago and have them match a document released today and be FAKE
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Jim in CT 09-26-2019 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1174980)
So you think
What IF in 1940
FDR called Churchill
& in response to UK’s request for weapons said, “We’ve always been good to your country, but I would like to ask a favor... open an investigation on Wendell Wilkie”???
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if biden didn’t want the attention, he could have easily avoided what is at a minimum, a glaring appearance of
impropriety.

again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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spence 09-26-2019 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1175006)
again, why was it ok for democrats in the us senate to ask ukraine to investigate Trump?
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Jim, it was because Ukraine wasn't cooperating with the Mueller investigation, it was about Manafort not Trump and it was made right out in public.

You're having that fruit problem again.


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