You assume York's is correct.

As the Trumplicans say "you don't have direct knowledge"

We'll leave common sense out of the discussion, it would ruin your narrative.

Again, you employ your slippery sliding technique of shifting from what was said into saying something else that suits you or your narrative or your shadowy amorphous yet somehow in your mind concrete opinion. I didn't say that I assume York's is correct. Nor did I actually assume so. I said that I prefer it. I don't assume much of any conclusion that is being made about what the actual truth is. I simply don't know. I go by the notion that without proof of criminality, innocence is presumed.

Those that make conjectures don't or can't actually know. Except for, in your mind, you.

Per usual, lot's of verbiage, nothing said.

In your world on what cause could someone be indicted?

Could they just shoot someone, say a Norwegian, on Fifth Avenue and walk away as innocent with no chance of indictment, as long as no one saw them shoot the gun?

Doesn't require more than a yes or no answer.......or does it

Just as a reminder about innocent people, what I was taught as a child, your associates define you.

The president’s personal lawyer and campaign manager are currently in prison. His National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to federal crimes. His longtime political adviser was recently convicted. His current lawyer is under federal investigation.

Show of hands, is there anyone on this board that believes Trump will not be impeached in the house? Is there anyone on this board that believes the Senate will not remove him? I’ve not participated much in this constant debate over right, wrong, is it impeachable or not, because I’d bet my life the house will impeach and the senate will not remove, so I don’t see much point in the merry go round I see here lately.
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I think there is a good chance he will be removed and that he should be.

At this point the majority thought Nixon would not be either, his popularity waned two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.

Actally, my verbiage correctly pointed out how you mischaracterized what I said, and it pointed out that I don't have any assumptions about what is the "truth" re any the various narratives re Trump's intentions in withholding the money.

I do understand, however, that you would consider that "nothing." If it were something, it would show how slimy you tend to get. Or, as PaulS might say, how scummy.

As for your questions, someone could be indicted for various causes. It is said that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich. I don't know why you slid the discussion, if we can call it that, into my opinion of what can cause an indictment.

I'm guessing that most of the people Trump is associated with are not in prison or guilty of federal crimes. I have no idea how that would fit into what you were taught as a child.

Dang, I have associated with some people who wound up doing bad things and even some who went to prison. Some were not the paragons of virtue even when I associated with them. I guess that makes me not innocent--makes me a guilty miscreant unfit for government employment. Somehow, I don't see it that way. For some reason, I feel that I am at least as fit as you to be considered reputable and a contributor to society.

Totally understandable given your support for Floridaman

And there it is folks. All those who support Trump are guilty. We are not honorable. We are not truthful. We are ignorant if not actually stupid. We are not worthy of respect, nor consideration as co-equal citizens in the continuing experiment of this great country. We don't match up to the elevated virtues of people like PeteF.

Your superior upbringing taught you to practice guilt by association. It apparently also taught you to convict by conjecture. It must have also taught you that to assume is to know.

Good God, what a reprobate Christ must have been! He associated with some of the worst lowlifes of his time and community. I have a gut feeling that he would have seen a more kindred spirit in Trump than in Pelosi or Sanders or most any Progressive.

Right, There are only two kinds of people. Those who never stop attacking Trump, and those who are as sleazy as he is. There is no middle ground - none.

So you are as sleazy as he is?
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Your ilk here, constantly refer to me as a Trumplican, and as someone who never criticizes him, and never would. It doesn't matter to them, that the accusation is demonstrably false. What matters, is that it supports The Narrative. That's all that matters. Its nothing more than simple-minded partisan BS. That helped him get elected by the way.

I can't think of anything your side could be doing to help him get re-elected, that they're not doing. Nothing. And you don't see it. You have Obama for Gods sake, who not long ago was the most liberal person in Congress, worried that the party is going too far to the left. And no one listens.

Carry on!

Again, you employ your slippery sliding technique of shifting from what was said into saying something else that suits you or your narrative or your shadowy amorphous yet somehow in your mind concrete opinion.

As the victim cries his usual Narrative, But Obama, everyone else is a socialist, we will all die without Floridaman, he is the second coming of Christ complete with toilets of gold, all should worship him because he can do no wrong. And everyone is picking on him.

Meanwhile in the real world, other authoritarians rejoice
Putin gets what he wants
Erdogan gets what he wants
MBS gets what he wants
Netanyahu gets what he wants
Xi Jingping gets what he wants
Even NK gets the recognition they have wanted for generations

And historic alliances are tossed by the wayside because someone's gut tells him something.

There has been a little return but nothing compared to the losses created by this fool's incompetence.

We will pay for a generation for what he has undone.

Give him another term and this republic will be gone, you will crown him King.

dont forget racist and all the other ists.
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There is always Canada for the real snowflakes. GTFO
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The house will likely impeach, no way the senate removes him (unless something new comes to light). I agree with you, this is pointless. Also no reason why Congress shouldn't vote now. Get it over with.

You are 100% correct.

Wave on your way there

ESADA

I am going to stay right here where I am happy. I have a couple trips planned for the winter just to recharge with the family.

My point was,if you are so sad,then find a place that suits your needs. Life is too short to complain on a daily basis. Unless the whining makes you happy. If that is the case then please enjoy your misery. I know that I do.
MAGA
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You're in an awful hurry for such an important occasion.

Usually for Republicans it only requires a blowjob and 3-4 years of investigation to start impeachment proceedings and that's with cooperation from the Presidents office, like actually testifying and even giving blood.

This President has provided ZERO documents and allowed no testimony, that is a first, a record and hopefully one that will never be permitted again. This one Floridaman honestly got.

In other word he has obstructed this investigation to the maximum extent possible, there is nothing else he could do.

Well except perhaps to investigate the investigators and he has done that.

These are the rules as written, the rest is up to Congress. They can choose to follow or ignore precedent, it's up to them.

The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.

The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.

Judgment in cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States: but the party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment and punishment, according to law.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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just like clinton

So what were you understanding when you said "Totally understandable given your support for Floridaman"?

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Pace yourself, ya got 5 more years of Trump to get through.

That you would claim to be a victim
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Pointing out that you implicated that because I support Trump, and your previous assertion that you can know someone by whom they associate with, ergo I am like your version of Trump is hardly claiming to be a victim. I even asserted before that " I am at least as fit as you to be considered reputable and a contributor to society."

So, no, I didn't claim to be a victim, but, as usual, in order to slide out of directly and honestly answering a question, you slid into something else that suits your purpose.

You poor boy, claiming to be horrified and called deplorable like Floridaman does while calling others human scum.

You said that I assumed Byron York was correct, when I pointed out that I did not assume that, you slid out of that lie by claiming that my response was "nothing" and then wandered into the notion that one is defined by those he associates with implying that Trump was defined by those he knew and were indicted or went to prison.

When I pointed out that most (actually the vast, vast, majority) of the people that Trump has associated with were not indicted nor imprisoned, and that I had associated with some who had been, you replied that it was understandable since I supported Trump.

When I pointed out that your reply implied that all trump supporters were, per that association, the various deplorables that you characterize Trump to be, you deflect from that lie by throwing a quote back at me.

When I asked, then, "what were you understanding when you said "Totally understandable given your support for Floridaman?", you said that I claimed to be a victim.

When I debunked that lie, you switched to me claiming that I was horrified, which I never claimed--yet another usual lie by you.

That is why it is impossible to have a rational discussion with you. You keep sliding from lie to lie, into other narratives as escape routes, from one lie into another rather than having an honest conversation.

It is ironic, maybe projection, that you constantly refer to Trump as a liar.

it's amazing how low the bar has bc with Repubs. and Pres.Trump.
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Because the high bar on the other side cheated their way to Hillary. How did that piece of honesty work out for you. Now, after strategic planning ...years in the making. They are going to counter with_____ _______?

I can not wait.
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