Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1199884)

Bob look around yourself, the pandemic response is controlled at a state level. Your governors have done a piss poor job. Only need to look at NYS and see that the head #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& in charge , needlessly killed more people by sending cover positive patients to. be quarantined in Nursing homes

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1199891)

This is absurd, the Federal government controls the CDC who's guidance advises policy, the FDA which oversees safety among other things and the legal means to use the private sector to accelerate production of critical supplies. The Fed response was half baked at best. Hey, let's put people with no experience in charge, Jarred, you lead the testing strategy...sad trombone horn.

Now we're seeing a brazen politicization of the CDC and FDA in an attempt to influence the election. If we have no faith in science and the medical profession it will be impossible to coordinate an effective response to this pandemic.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199889)

As usual, you mislead

"For the last four years we weren't having riots, racial riots," he said of his second term with Obama. "When they occurred, we didn't have to call in the National Guard."

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1199894)

The National Guard was called to help restore peace in Ferguson.

What else ya got?

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199898)

Come on now, if it was Tweety it would be rationalized by saying the Gov did it and "I take no responsibility at all"

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1199891)

This is absurd, the Federal government controls the CDC who's guidance advises policy, the FDA which oversees safety among other things and the legal means to use the private sector to accelerate production of critical supplies. The Fed response was half baked at best. Hey, let's put people with no experience in charge, Jarred, you lead the testing strategy...sad trombone horn.

Now we're seeing a brazen politicization of the CDC and FDA in an attempt to influence the election. If we have no faith in science and the medical profession it will be impossible to coordinate an effective response to this pandemic.

Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1199904)

And didn't the CDC's mission statement on their website say something like they were there to backstop the states. When Trump claimed otherwise they changed the website.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199910)

Simple, he didn't do it.
Make that false.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1199911)

This is a sincere question, not a gotcha question...why didn't all 50 governors do what Cuomo did, and force covid-positive patients into nursing homes?

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1199914)

Remember this was in March when people were still trying to figure out what was going on. NY was following the CDC guidance at the time and just got whacked for it because the state had the first big flare up. Your CNN article mentions about a dozen other states did the same thing. Why not all 50? Hell, many states led by Trump sycophants don't even want to require masks.

My college town Ames, Iowa right now has the worst Covid rate in the country and Iowa State is still planning on playing football at 1/2 capacity. The Gov has been terrible.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1199914)

My college town Ames, Iowa right now has the worst Covid rate in the country and Iowa State is still planning on playing football at 1/2 capacity. The Gov has been terrible.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1199903)

YOU said that the “no national guard” reference, made biden’s claim true.

i shared with you the irrefutable fact that the national guard was called up to ferguson.

So was biden forgetting, it was he lying?

Which. Is. It?

you cannot respond with “but trump...”.
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199910)

Simple, he didn't do it.
Make that false.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1199912)

You're saying that Governor Cuomo, didn't mandate that nursing homes admit covid-positive patients? Is that what you're saying?

My company sells professional liability insurance to nursing homes, we have a ton of accounts in NY. I have participated in 50 discussions on this topic.

Governor Cuomo isn't denying he did this. He is saying the CDC forced him to do it. Which seems wrong, since not all the governors did it.

Anyway, here is an article from that pro-Trump outlet called CNN. So I just made that wrong.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/polit...nts/index.html

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199917)

Cuomo #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up and has pretty much said so, .

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1199917)

Cuomo #^&#^&#^&#^&ed up and has pretty much said so, as much as any politician does.
Meanwhile, Tweety literally blames all his problems on the last President and the next President.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1199921)

where did he say anything like this? Again, a sincere question, not a gotcha question.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1199892)

So why didn't all 50 governors force covid-positive patients into nursing homes?

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1199927)

Your clueless Covid 19 ravaged nursing homes overwhelming intoduced by staff,
Not the small fraction of patients returned from the hospital

How do you think covid 19 showed prisons ?

My wife's nursing home has a covid 19 floor this mantra its dems fault is :rotflmao

All 50 states have covid in their nursing. Look at Idaho and all the other red states who looked at saw how it was in NY NJ Ma and other states .. by the time it showed most of the resident's were wearing masks and understand stood the need for social distancing... it had nothing to do with Republicans leadership:kewl:

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1199916)

WHat's the final death rate going to be? That's what matters.

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1199943)

Are US cities seeing a surge in violent crime as Trump claims?

But in many major US cities, including Chicago and New York, violent crime overall is down compared with the same time last year.

That can't be true because PeteF says it's under Trump's watch.

You want to stop riots let's start with with acknowledging that killing unarmed Americans by police is not acceptable, regardless of their the color of their skin or their past criminal records or their lack of instant obedience to orders and respect for authority that some feel is justification for killing unarmed civilans

It depends on the circumstances. We should start with acknowledging that riots are not acceptable. And that protests should not only be peaceful, they should occur after the facts and judgments are in, not before.

Let's Acknowledge that bringing a gun to a protest and killing 2 people and injuring another fellow American is Not a patriotism

Let's acknowledge that using a gun in self defense or the protection of property is a fundamental right of Americans.

Let's Acknowledge there is a clear distinction between protesting and looting and Riots and the last 2 are not acceptable

Sure.

Let's acknowledge demanding accountability of police is NOT anti law enforcement

Sure.

Let's Acknowledge showing up in vehicles laden with armed people and covered with Trump flags are not counter protesters

Vehicles and Trump flags should be permissible. BLM shirts and banners are OK. And being armed for self-protection when faced with hostile rioters should be OK. Especially when the police are unwilling, or unable to defend you.

Of course, I may be wrong, but I doubt that Trump supporters or militia types would even care about actually peaceful protests.

And lastly let's acknowledge this there are 2 country's in America a red one and Blue one. If you listen and believe what Trump is selling to to all Americans

I have no idea of what you're trying to say here.

AND acknowledge That Trump is the Man who is sowing that Narrative .. and mzny conservatives are silent

Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1199946)

???

Originally Posted by RickBomba (Post 1199947)

Careful with the blue, Butchie.

I hear that kind of instability fires up mini-strokes.
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