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Jim in CT 10-13-2021 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1215730)
A$$ talking at its finest. Would it be because of Trump's ability to control the weather or the global markets?

because trump did everything he could to maximize domestic production.

biden put a moratorium
on all new drilling applications at first ( which you conveniently left out), showing that he’s not as friendly to fossil fuels as trump.

how come you left out that Biden put a moratorium
on new drilling permits?

You’re denying that Trump
is friendlier to domestic oil
production than Biden, and you accuse me of talking out of
my a$$. after denying you said things that were demonstrably, stupidly wrong, because you are a liberal and thus aren’t ever wrong.

but i’m curious why you left out, in your defense of biden as pro oil, that he issued a broad moratorium on new oiland gas leases in january 2021.

so if you’re saying Biden is very pro oil, doesn’t that necessarily mean you’re saying he broke campaign promises regarding oil? you have never said here that he broke any campaign promises, and you’d faint before you could ever type that out.
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The Dad Fisherman 10-13-2021 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215695)

trying to have a serious conversation with you . it’s not easy.

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Jim in CT 10-13-2021 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1215736)
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is rather talk to that baby.
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spence 10-13-2021 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215731)
because trump did everything he could to maximize domestic production.

He should thank Obama for ending restrictions on US exports. This is the big reason production went up.

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biden put a moratorium
on all new drilling applications at first ( which you conveniently left out), showing that he’s not as friendly to fossil fuels as trump.
He put a hold on applications for new Federal leases and increased permits on existing leases. No doubt Biden has a clean energy agenda but voters want.

Jim in CT 10-13-2021 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1215739)
He should thank Obama for ending restrictions on US exports. This is the big reason production went up.


He put a hold on applications for new Federal leases and increased permits on existing leases. No doubt Biden has a clean energy agenda but voters want.

so you’re saying Biden is more pro oil than Trump, but is also doing what the environmentalists want.

Impressive.

you’re like a teenage girl
talking about New Kids On The Block.
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spence 10-13-2021 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215741)
so you’re saying Biden is more pro oil than Trump, but is also doing what the environmentalists want.

Impressive.

you’re like a teenage girl
talking about New Kids On The Block.
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Level up Jim

Jim in CT 10-13-2021 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1215742)
Level up Jim

agreed. sorry.
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wdmso 10-14-2021 11:50 AM

The current level of U.S. crude oil production as of October 2021 is 11,300.00 thousand barrels per day.


The production decline resulted from reduced drilling activity related to low oil prices in 2020. ... In March 2020, crude oil prices decreased because of the sudden drop in petroleum demand that resulted from the global response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.Mar 9, 2021

In its January 2021 Short-Term Energy Outlook (STEO), the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) forecasts that annual U.S. crude oil production will average 11.1 million b/d in 2021, down 0.2 million b/d from 2020 as result of a decline in drilling activity related to low oil prices. A production decline in 2021 would mark the second consecutive year of production declines. Responses to the COVID-19 pandemic led to supply and demand disruptions. EIA expects crude oil production to increase in 2022 by 0.4 million b/d because of increased drilling as prices remain at or near $50 per barrel (b).
The United States set annual natural gas production records in 2018 and 2019, largely because of increased drilling in shale and tight oil formations. The increase in production led to higher volumes of natural gas in storage and a decrease in natural gas prices. In 2020, marketed natural gas production fell by 2% from 2019 levels amid responses to COVID-19. EIA estimates that annual U.S. marketed natural gas production will decline another 2% to average 95.9 billion cubic feet per day (Bcf/d) in 2021. The fall in production will reverse in 2022, when EIA estimates that natural gas production will rise by 2% to 97.6 Bcf/d.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46476

This is happening on. global scale but Jim and Republicans want Americans to think it’s Biden’s Fault and the gullible base is all in. Their argument is never evidenced based it’s all emotional
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wdmso 10-14-2021 11:56 AM

Jim do you even know how long it takes to go from lease to permit to drilling then the gas station…. I doubt it

Here some more facts you’ll just ignore

While the industry’s fearmongering would seem to suggest that they are running out of leased lands on which to produce, more than half of all acres currently leased—13.9 million acres in total—are not yet being used to produce oil or gas. Over the past four years, the Trump administration orchestrated a fire sale of public lands, and companies stockpiled leases on millions of those acres. By sitting idle on these leases, the industry is not creating any revenue or jobs—energy or otherwise. It is, however, making a sizable parcel of public lands unavailable for other valuable uses, such as recreation and conservation, at the taxpayer’s loss.
https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-public-lands/

Did you catch 13.9 million acre not being used to produce gas or Oil. And your convinced it’s Biden’s Policy’s. With out a shred of evidence much like Hunters emails
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Jim in CT 10-14-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1215772)
Jim do you even know how long it takes to go from lease to permit to drilling then the gas station…. I doubt it

Here some more facts you’ll just ignore

While the industry’s fearmongering would seem to suggest that they are running out of leased lands on which to produce, more than half of all acres currently leased—13.9 million acres in total—are not yet being used to produce oil or gas. Over the past four years, the Trump administration orchestrated a fire sale of public lands, and companies stockpiled leases on millions of those acres. By sitting idle on these leases, the industry is not creating any revenue or jobs—energy or otherwise. It is, however, making a sizable parcel of public lands unavailable for other valuable uses, such as recreation and conservation, at the taxpayer’s loss.
https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-public-lands/

Did you catch 13.9 million acre not being used to produce gas or Oil. And your convinced it’s BidWith out a shred of evidence much like Hunters emails
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Politico confirmed the emails are genuine. i don’t know what you’re talking about, neither does anyone else.

and oil prices are highly prospective and speculative. it’s. it just about what’s happening today.
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Pete F. 10-14-2021 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215776)
Politico confirmed the emails are genuine. i don’t know what you’re talking about, neither does anyone else.


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No, What Politico said is: "While at least some of the laptop material is genuine, it remains possible that fake material is mixed in."

The article also says lots of things, including this: "In the end, Trump’s efforts backfired. He was caught pressuring Ukraine’s president to investigate the Bidens while his administration withheld military aid from the country. That gambit provoked Trump’s impeachment, rather than Biden’s downfall."

Jim in CT 10-14-2021 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1215783)
No, What Politico said is: "While at least some of the laptop material is genuine, it remains possible that fake material is mixed in."

The article also says lots of things, including this: "In the end, Trump’s efforts backfired. He was caught pressuring Ukraine’s president to investigate the Bidens while his administration withheld military aid from the country. That gambit provoked Trump’s impeachment, rather than Biden’s downfall."

in other words politico confirmed some of the emails and offered exactly to evidence that anything was fake.

wayne said there was no evidence the emails were genuine.

politico debunked that.

it’s possible Elvis did it.
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Pete F. 10-14-2021 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215784)
in other words politico confirmed some of the emails and offered exactly to evidence that anything was fake.

wayne said there was no evidence the emails were genuine.

politico debunked that.

it’s possible Elvis did it.
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As you said about the Mueller report
No evidence
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spence 10-14-2021 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215784)
in other words politico confirmed some of the emails and offered exactly to evidence that anything was fake.

How would they prove emails aren't fake without evidence?

Still, emails don't prove anything.

Jim in CT 10-14-2021 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1215800)
How would they prove emails aren't fake without evidence?

Still, emails don't prove anything.

i don’t know, but Politico confirmed some of the emails, and admitted there was no proof that any were fake.
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wdmso 10-15-2021 09:39 AM

My 2 post were about gas prices and how the system works . And Jim focus is on emails or a email . That somehow still can’t b produced by those insisting that they exist they run. With this “ The Hunter story was neutralized to prevent Mr. Trump from winning re-election. Fair reporting of the graft and low behavior on full display in Hunter’s laptop could have kept Mr. Trump in office.” Hunter wasn’t running for POTUS that seems to be the part the right missed
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Jim in CT 10-15-2021 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1215825)
My 2 post were about gas prices and how the system works . And Jim focus is on emails or a email . That somehow still can’t b produced by those insisting that they exist they run. With this “ The Hunter story was neutralized to prevent Mr. Trump from winning re-election. Fair reporting of the graft and low behavior on full display in Hunter’s laptop could have kept Mr. Trump in office.” Hunter wasn’t running for POTUS that seems to be the part the right missed
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my focus is the price of a barrel of oil. Flirted with $85 today. administration saying home heating bills will be as much as 50% higher this winter.

but you’ll tell us that’s a good thing and biden deserves the credit, or it’s a bad thing and it’s Trumps fault.
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wdmso 10-15-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215826)
my focus is the price of a barrel of oil. Flirted with $85 today. administration saying home heating bills will be as much as 50% higher this winter.

but you’ll tell us that’s a good thing and biden deserves the credit, or it’s a bad thing and it’s Trumps fault.
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no one said it was a good thing but Republicans love to praise capitalism and the Free market until
The prices go up then they want government control of industry and price controls all while yelling accusing Democratic’s of socialism and communism .

While their dear leaders attack democracy and America’s institutions and they cheer from the sidelines
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Jim in CT 10-15-2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1215827)
no one said it was a good thing but Republicans love to praise capitalism and the Free market until
The prices go up then they want government control of industry and price controls all while yelling accusing Democratic’s of socialism and communism .

While their dear leaders attack democracy and America’s institutions and they cheer from the sidelines
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we don’t want government control ( completely wrong again). we want the government to allow us to tap into the oil we have here. that’s not wanting “more government control.”

liberals love to make it sound like conservatives should never want the government to do anything. always painting a stupid extreme picture because you know you can’t respond to the reality.

a stupid post dripping with ignorance. just total
ignorance.
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scottw 10-15-2021 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215828)

we don’t want government control ( completely wrong again).

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Don’t know where he gets his material 🤡
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Jim in CT 10-15-2021 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1215836)
Don’t know where he gets his material 🤡
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when i say the Biden administration should allow us to exploit our natural resources, he says i’m demanding more government control.
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The Dad Fisherman 10-15-2021 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1215836)
Don’t know where he gets his material 🤡
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wdmso 10-15-2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215837)
when i say the Biden administration should allow us to exploit our natural resources, he says i’m demanding more government control.
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Jim for the hundredth time the oil and gas can produce as much as they want no one not even Biden can stop them or force them to produce more. They are private companies…. Stop making crap up your delusional .. your demanding government intervention in private business and markets

Please tell us how Biden reduce oil production in the US .. oh wait you can’t because it never happened
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Jim in CT 10-15-2021 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1215856)
Jim for the hundredth time the oil and gas can produce as much as they want no one not even Biden can stop them or force them to produce more. They are private companies…. Stop making crap up your delusional .. your demanding government intervention in private business and markets

Please tell us how Biden reduce oil production in the US .. oh wait you can’t because it never happened
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ok. can you first tell us which republicans said that oil is at an all time high? you said that, i keep
asking for support.

an article saying that as you said, the moratorium wouldn’t hurt production for awhile. but also saying that the actual and perceived actions that suggest biden doesn’t want to be in the oil
production business, would have an effect.

oil is north of $80. that’s a high price, very high. why aren’t we producing what we were producing a couple of years ago?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insidec...c-lands/%3famp

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wdmso 10-16-2021 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215860)
ok. can you first tell us which republicans said that oil is at an all time high? you said that, i keep
asking for support.

an article saying that as you said, the moratorium wouldn’t hurt production for awhile. but also saying that the actual and perceived actions that suggest biden doesn’t want to be in the oil
production business, would have an effect.

oil is north of $80. that’s a high price, very high. why aren’t we producing what we were producing a couple of years ago?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insidec...c-lands/%3famp

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We are producing what we did a few years ago . 10.09 .20 we produced 10.725 million barrels a day 10.08.21 we produced 11.5 million barrels a day
And our imports same dates 5.3 and
11.4 million barrels a day
9.2million gallons and 2021 9.6
Gas production same dates
https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/

On October 13, 2021, the Brent crude oil price (the most relevant crude oil price in determining U.S. petroleum product prices) was $83 per barrel (b), a 57% increase from last winter’s average, which contributes to the higher expected propane and heating oil retail prices. Wholesale prices of crude oil have risen because petroleum demand has increased faster than supply, leading to falling inventories (in the case of crude oil and several petroleum products) and propane inventories that have increased at slower rates than historical averages. We expect the retail price of propane in the United States will average $3.10 per gallon (gal) this winter (49% higher than last winter) and the price of heating oil will average $3.39/gal this winter (33% higher than last winter).

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/weekly/

Jim all Republicans are trying to suggest these fuel increase are not normal or it’s a market condition . But some how caused by Biden .. your the biggest cheerleader in that message

Analysis | The bogus GOP claim that Biden is responsible for higher gasoline prices
how the right blames biden for the price of gas from www.washingtonpost.com
Analysis | The bogus GOP claim that Biden is responsible for higher gasoline prices

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier...gh-gas-prices/

No article of mine has generated more views and more reader feedback than my piece in March of this year: Who Is To Blame For Rising Gasoline Prices? At present, there are nearly 900,000 views, and I continue to get reader feedback over this article on a weekly basis.

The feedback is invariably from men who are angry that Joe Biden is in the White House and it is along the lines of “I bet you feel stupid now” or “Even an idiot can see that Biden is the one who drove up gasoline prices.”

No, the reason oil and gasoline prices rose is that the economy started to open back up from the Covid-19 shutdowns. Those shutdowns had negatively impacted a couple of million barrels of U.S. oil supplies, and those supplies were slow to bounce back once the economy opened back up. That’s why we have soaring oil and gasoline prices.

Keep in mind that the entire world has experienced this. Do people honestly believe that cancellation of the Keystone XL pipeline drove up gasoline prices in Tokyo? Further, this price rise has taken place across most commodities. We have seen soaring lumber prices, base metals prices, cotton, oats, sugar — all primarily associated with the Covid-19 impacts on the economy.

But, I will reiterate something I pointed out earlier this year. Either Biden is driving up gasoline prices, which helps the U.S. oil industry, or Biden’s policies have nothing to do with higher gasoline prices, and thus his policies are doing nothing to help the U.S. oil industry.

It is in fact the latter. Despite the sharp rise in the price of gasoline this year, Biden deserves neither the credit nor the blame

Jim please stop pounding a square peg in a round hole . Not sure how much factual information is required for to accept the Truth .

Trump claims credit for cheap gas. Experts say it's not so simple.
Snake oil sales man and the right runs with it …. Believing Trump dismissing the experts.. this is the new GOP they are their own expert’s
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Jim in CT 10-16-2021 09:04 AM

wdmso that was a lengthy dodge.

you said republicans are claiming prices are at an all time high. All i did, was ask you to clarify who said that.

you won’t tell us who you heard say that, because you never heard any influential republican say that. you lied. but you can’t admit you lied, either.

we are producing a lot less than we were a few years ago ( i posted annual us production). with oil above $80 a barrel, the financial incentive is there to produce as much as we possibly can. but we aren’t.
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spence 10-16-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215880)
you said republicans are claiming prices are at an all time high. All i did, was ask you to clarify who said that.
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This summer most of the prominent republicans were saying it. Use the google.

Jim in CT 10-16-2021 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1215909)
This summer most of the prominent republicans were saying it. Use the google.

show me one who said that $75 a barrel
was an all time high.
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spence 10-16-2021 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1215910)
show me one who said that $75 a barrel
was an all time high.
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Don't know about that but plenty were directly blaming Biden.

Jim in CT 10-16-2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1215915)
Don't know about that but plenty were directly blaming Biden.

wdmso said that the gop was claiming it’s at an all
time high.
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