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Chicago has tough gun laws. How’s that working out? i’m not saying we do nothing. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Access and quantity are the big issues and the next are weapon types Why does only the United States have this gun violence problem? There is a reason and Mental heath isn’t that reason Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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The numbers are similar or worse in other countries south of our border. And much worse in parts of Africa. Are all those numbers, which are way worse than in the U.S., a result of the weapons (mostly guns)? With 393 million guns owned by U.S. citizens, you'd think that those guns would be killing a way lot more people than they do. Maybe most of the guns don't want to kill anybody? We should outlaw the guns that want to kill people. |
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what do we do about it? i honestly don’t know. we can’t confiscate hundreds of millions of guns. literally hundreds of millions. which makes me wonder what gun laws will do. i don’t know why you can’t concede that mental health is part of it. i guess because the dnc hasn’t ordered you to believe it. we’re a free country of 330 million people. there’s a very small number of very sick folks, and a ton of guns. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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Please don’t go down the confiscate nonsense the right loves to preach But when an 18 year old buys 2 ARs and 350 rounds over 3 days and there’s no red flag or waiting period in Texas .. these are basic laws needed But In the state of Texas, a mandatory 24-hour waiting period is required for all abortions. The waiting period begins at your in-office consultation and ultrasound visit. A mandatory ultrasound is also required by law under Texas Priorities are clear Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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RI did one thing sensible, they recently changed it to the town where you live runs the background check, not the town where the shop is. Quote:
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If he cannot tell us in what way it is absolute, then it is not guaranteed, and can be eliminated if five Justices so decide. Saying that it is "not unlimited" without pointing out in what way it is unlimited, is saying that it is not an unalienable right, but rather a right or privilege granted by government, and can be limited or made void at the whim of government. Which is not what the framers of the Constitution said in the text of the Amendment. |
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It’s always the criminals fault It’s never a criminals fault is just a conservatives 2a talking point And I agree Mental Health AND a Culture Problem. Plus an a availability problem In Texas you need to be 21 for a hand gun but 18 for any long rifle The majority of responsible gun owners want better gun control but for some reason Republicans ignore those poll? Have as many guns as you like they should all be registered. And have a purchase history or come with a title Only 11 States Require Gun Owners to Report Stolen Weapons to Police California Connecticut Delaware District of Columbia Illinois Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only) Massachusetts Michigan (thefts only) New Jersey New York Ohio Rhode Island An DC This 11 could be more this was dated 2017. But I doubt it researchers at Harvard and Northeastern universities estimated that as many as 380,000 weapons are lost or stolen each More children died by guns than car crashes in 2020, for the first time in decades https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-car-crashes/ Clearly this study can’t blame it all on just mental health. People who shoot up schools or serial killers yes Mental heath is a huge factor in their crimes I don’t think that’s debatable but some how the weapons the use isn’t debatable for many on the right as even a factor in their crimes? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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We all need to get better at admitting what works, and expand in that. And admitting what doesn’t work, and either adjusting or doing away with what doesn’t work. What Guiliani did in NY with gun violence not only worked, it was practically a miracle. But a lot of people won’t admit that, because they don’t like the party he’s in and that he likes Trump. At the same time, some conservatives need to admit the 2a isn’t limitless. James Madison who wrote it, later banned firearms on campus at the university of VA when he was school president. Which means the guy who wrote it,,meant for the right to be limited. But again ,,if there are 400 million guns already out there, we need to concede that future gun control can at best have a limited impact because we aren’t confiscating them We all need to set ideology aside, and just look at results honestly. It’s not hard. and we need to admit that the constitution might be in the way of some things we’d like to do, and that’s ok. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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I'm going to pull this one quote because this is really where things distill from. First and foremost, eff off for your statement that insinuates that only the firearm owners that agree with your requirements are responsible. Way to bridge the divide. But your statement there is just a mini version of the left's overall approach; marginalize and demonize the right. A lot of Republicans want better gun control, but they do not want what the left brings. I'm willing to work for better legislation that would actually make a difference but no matter what goals or concession the right is willing to work on, it will never be enough as the left will want more and consume more. Want to know what would have worked here? A proper and well regulated Red Flag law. Why can't we have a Red Flag law that keeps firearms out of the hands of people that should not have them while respecting the rights of the significant majority of people? The left wants no guns and the major effort made is to take the guns out of the hands of law abiding people. The left wants a UNIFYING topic they can rally support around to make Republicans Bad People, regardless of the facts on the ground. The left spends BILLIONS of dollars per year to get "assault rifles" banned for the 300-400 per year killed by them and you don't hear a fcking peep about the 15000 murders in America's cities every year. Gun homicides increased in cities by THIRTY-SEVEN PERCENT in 2020 over 2019. Over Fifty percent of gun deaths are suicide, 45 percent are violent crime. Of that violent crime, a tiny amount are these "Mass Shootings". It is still too much, and most instances of those Mass Shootings are mental health. The left moves the needle with "Common Sense" Gun reform. Everything from the Left is "Common Sense" and it is stated enough by politicians and a compliant and willing media, they believe it. But it entirely misses the problem, mental health. I will not accept the lefts targeting of Legal Gun owners rather than targeting the people likely to commit the crime. We could work on that but we don't because the Left doesn't want that, they want to break those that don't agree with them. So, no, I will give in to your demands. I will not accept your "common sense" and more kids are going to die because we can't work together because YOUR side demands changes that won't resolve anything at the problem level while directly impacting the rights of those that are not the problem. Quote:
So, no, "assault weapons", the major target of the dems and, cough, Common Sense Gun Laws people, cough, is responsible for much less than 1% of annual gun deaths. |
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Very, very tough. "you don't hear a fcking peep about the 15000 murders in America's cities every year." This is exactly true, and it's irrefutable proof that this isn't about saving lives, it's about demonizing the other side to win elections. If you actually want to save lives, you'd immediately implement stop and frisk in every single big city. We know that worked. We san see what New York looked like before, during, and after. But ideology is what matters here, not results. You never get this worked up. Tough times. And getting worse. |
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and institute stop and frisk to address garden variety city gun violence. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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I am mixed on Stop and Frisk because THAT has impacts on the person's rights. There needs to be Just Cause, yada yada yada, to search someone by Gov officals. |
eff off for your statement that insinuates that only the firearm owners that agree with your requirements are responsible.
Now your hearing things .. The public is getting sick and tired of the 2a crowd and their my way or the highway mentally.. so you have a choice participate in crafting gun laws or Keep ignoring the problem sooner or the later the public is going to fix the problem. And all gun owners won’t like the results… Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device |
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A Red Flag law that has serious provisions to protect people's individual rights - current ones don't - and are written to mitigate bad faith manipulation - yeh, I can get behind those. And THIS ^^^^ might have prevented 2 days ago, Parkland, Newtown, Buffalo, and half a dozen others. |
A bunch of police officers standing outside the school, while the shooting is going on, parents pleading for them to go in, pretty much demolishes the argument about the good guy with a gun saving anyone.
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An important thing to understand is that most people who have murdered large numbers of human beings were not mentally ill in any way
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You do this a lot, to shoot down right wing ideas, you point out that those suggestions aren't guaranteed to be flawless. Can you name many liberal policies which you support, which we can't find a specific case showing them to be imperfect? I notice you never hold liberal suggestions to the same standard, liberal suggestions don't need to be prefect. "Good" is good enough for liberal ideas, but conservative ideas are "demolished" if they are imperfect in any way. |
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I think Herschel Walker wants to expand MH funding and do some other things. If anyone needs a job maybe they can apply to "look at young men that's looking at women, that's looking at their social media?"
We need to get into what happened to him, why, by putting money in mental health. Have people thought about that?" Walker said, referring to the 18-year-old alleged shooter in Uvalde, Texas. "We've gotta get back into prayer. People thinking now praying is bad. No, it's not bad. We need to pray for things like that. We need to continue to go out and fight, continue to take your constitutional rights away, and I think we can't do that." Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade asked Walker where he stands on gun control measures such as universal background checks or raising the age to buy assault weapons from 18 to 21. "Well, you know, it's always been an issue, because as I said earlier on, they wanna score political points . People see that it's a person wielding that weapon, you know, Cain killed Abel," Walker said. "And that's the problem that we have. And I said, what we need to do is look into how we can stop those things. "You talk about doing a disinformation," Walker continued, "what about getting a department that can look at young men that's looking at women, that's looking at their social media? What about doing that, looking into things like that, and we can stop that that way?" Walker also mentioned "putting money into other departments rather than the department that's wanting to take away your rights," but did not specify any agency. |
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If the cops weren't doing anything else at that specific time, removing 715 illegally carried guns in one year, seems like a worthwhile use of time. Until the bad guys start wearing signs that announce their intentions, unfortunately we need to cast the net pretty wide. What's a more efficient way to get illegal guns of the street? Ask criminals to pretty please turn themselves in? Chicago and DC in recent past had very tough restrictions on gun ownership, did that help gun crime more than the things Rudy did? Put stop and frisk, specifically, aside. Did murder rates drop meaningfully during Rudy's tenure Paul? Did he do a great job with violent crime? In the 5-6 years begore Rudy was sworn in, NYC had about 2500 murders a year. By the time he left, it was under 1,000 a year. Rapes went from 5,000 per year to 3,500. Robberies from over 100,000 per year to under 40,000. Total violent crimes from over 200,000 per year to under 100,000. Maybe stop and frisk had zero impact. But obviously in aggregate, the things he did, helped. Why in Gods name would we willfully choose to ignore that, because we don't like the party he is affiliated with? We would all (conservatives included) do well to put ideology aside, focus on results. Look at what has worked, and do more of that. Look at what doesn't work, and stop doing it. Why is that so hard? https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm |
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