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spence 07-10-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1146380)
I've heard this from people, that she made the declaration AFTER she was hired. But she also knew that this was a big box to check in Academia (if you think it is not you are fooling yourself). Tom Nichols (a NeverTrumper BTW) who's opinion I trust and consider even when I don't agree with his statements, had a great point; he know's people in Academia that *COULD* claim some minor ethnicity due to family lure and how well that plays in Academia but they DON'T when the cannot document that heritage. Warren went with it. Whether before or after the hire she went with it because it would boost her own rating.

I don't think you have ANY evidence to justify your speculation. I've also never heard of a single instance where she received any benefit for this consideration.

Reality is she's extremely smart and passionate which makes her a threat. Put this political smear in context of her significant career and it's insignificant.

Jim in CT 07-10-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146390)
I don't think you have ANY evidence to justify your speculation. I've also never heard of a single instance where she received any benefit for this consideration.

Reality is she's extremely smart and passionate which makes her a threat. Put this political smear in context of her significant career and it's insignificant.

Judge Kavanaugh is also extremely smart and passionate. Your side is saying that if he gets confirmed, then many women will die. Is that fair?

I don’t see warren as a threat, you are missing the point. She’s a liar and/or a lunatic. She’s a world class hypocrite ( attacks banks for profiting from school loans, yet she made 400k teaching at Harvard; criticizes banks for the subprime mortgage mess, yet she profited from flipping foreclosures). She is a huge gift to my side, I hope she runs for President.
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Jim in CT 07-10-2018 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DZ (Post 1146378)
I understand. But the nomination of conservative SC justices is something that comes with winning the past election. If you win you get to call the shots and try and get your picks in. I remember a past president said something to the effect of "Elections have consequences". Kind of like that. Some people can go crazy but at the end of the day he may get his pick into the SC.

EXACTLY. I guess elections only have consequences when democrats win.

I get why the dems are pissed that Merrick Garland didn't get confirmed. But the American people freely chose to give control of the senate to the GOP, and common sense suggests that they didn't do so, so that they'd let Obama do whatever he wanted.

When the American people decide to give senate control back to the democrats (in other words, when we decide we'd all be better off with smaller paychecks), then the democrats can confirm whoever they want.

Jim in CT 07-10-2018 04:30 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/polit...tas/index.html

detbuch 07-10-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146386)

Yes. We hear that quite a lot. It was put by Judge Vinson, and I think it was put by Professor Barnett in terms of eating your vegetables, and for reasons I set out in my testimony, that would be a violation of the 5th and the 14th Amendment, to force you to eat something.

Would it be a violation to force you to buy vegetables?

But to force you to pay for something? I don’t see why not. It may not be a good idea, but I don’t see why it’s unconstitutional.[12][13]

Would it be constitutional to force you to pay for something you don't want to buy?

spence 07-10-2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1146391)
Judge Kavanaugh is also extremely smart and passionate. Your side is saying that if he gets confirmed, then many women will die. Is that fair?

I don't know exactly how he'll vote but if you deny women access to the health care they need I'm sure some will die.

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I don’t see warren as a threat, you are missing the point. She’s a liar and/or a lunatic. She’s a world class hypocrite ( attacks banks for profiting from school loans, yet she made 400k teaching at Harvard; criticizes banks for the subprime mortgage mess, yet she profited from flipping foreclosures). She is a huge gift to my side, I hope she runs for President.
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You do think she's a threat that's why you can't think straight. She's not a hypocrite. She understands the economy and finance. Hell, she used to be a Republican.

Your flipping foreclosures argument got three Pinocchio's by the Washington Post just FYI.

Sea Dangles 07-10-2018 05:24 PM

Speculation Jeff?
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spence 07-10-2018 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1146397)
Speculation Jeff?
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More like common sense.

Jim in CT 07-10-2018 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146396)
I don't know exactly how he'll vote but if you deny women access to the health care they need I'm sure some will die.


You do think she's a threat that's why you can't think straight. She's not a hypocrite. She understands the economy and finance. Hell, she used to be a Republican.

Your flipping foreclosures argument got three Pinocchio's by the Washington Post just FYI.

"if you deny women access to the health care they need I'm sure some will die."

Where to begin...

(1) first, before Roe V Wade, I believe abortion was legal when the life of the mom was in actual jeopardy. That is very rare. The overwhelming majority of abortions today, are done for convenience, not necessity. Let's frame it honestly for a second. I know that's very challenging for your side on this issue, but let's try.

(2) even if Roe V Wade was overturned, THAT DOES NOT OUTLAW ABORTION. It means that the question would go to the states. Very few states would outlaw early-stage convenience abortions, and you know this. State would only do this if a majority of the citizens wanted it that way, and that's how it's supposed to work.

"You do think she's a threat "

I think she's a deranged, hypocritical, azzhole. And she's not a threat to my side, she's a valuable asset. because evefry time she opens her big, fat, commie, 100% Caucasian mouth, money gets donated to the GOP. I would not want her to go away, heck I want her to run for POTUS.

"that's why you can't think straight"

She refuses to take the DNA test that will settle this. So I know she's lying, there's no other reason not to take the test. You are the one in denial, the one not thinking straight.

"She's not a hypocrite"

So when she says it's wrong for banks to profit off of college tuition, but it's OK if she profits off of college tuition...you don't think that's hypocritical? Can you elaborate? Have fun trying.

Not your best work here, Spence.

TheSpecialist 07-10-2018 05:38 PM

Don't get led astray Jim on the Indian crap, hit them with her making $430,000 for 2010 and part of 2011 to teach one class. She has a personal net worth of over 8 million. Yet she claims to be for the little guy, rails against the very establishments that got her to where she is. The woman is a two faced fraud

Jim in CT 07-10-2018 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146396)
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Your flipping foreclosures argument got three Pinocchio's by the Washington Post just FYI.

How about my argument about her profiting from college students going into debt, while she says it's unethical for banks to do the same. Let's focus on that.

TheSpecialist 07-10-2018 05:46 PM

She bought a house from an elderly Oklahoma woman for $30,000 in August of 1993, then sold it for $145,000 3 months later. She either took advantage of the woman, or flipped a property which was it?

Sea Dangles 07-10-2018 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146398)
More like common sense.

Tighten the chinstrap my little cupcake.
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Sea Dangles 07-10-2018 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146400)
Don't get led astray Jim on the Indian crap, hit them with her making $430,000 for 2010 and part of 2011 to teach one class. She has a personal net worth of over 8 million. Yet she claims to be for the little guy, rails against the very establishments that got her to where she is. The woman is a two faced fraud

How many Pinocchios Jeff?
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Jim in CT 07-10-2018 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146402)
She bought a house from an elderly Oklahoma woman for $30,000 in August of 1993, then sold it for $145,000 3 months later. She either took advantage of the woman, or flipped a property which was it?

Yeah, but if you convert those dollars to wampum, which is the currency that Warren surely deals in, she probably only broke even.

spence 07-10-2018 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146400)
Don't get led astray Jim on the Indian crap, hit them with her making $430,000 for 2010 and part of 2011 to teach one class. She has a personal net worth of over 8 million. Yet she claims to be for the little guy, rails against the very establishments that got her to where she is. The woman is a two faced fraud

I have never seen a single credible reference that she was paid more than normal to teach X classes.

spence 07-10-2018 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146402)
She bought a house from an elderly Oklahoma woman for $30,000 in August of 1993, then sold it for $145,000 3 months later. She either took advantage of the woman, or flipped a property which was it?

It was 5 months actually.

She helped her family buy a decrepit property (not a foreclosure by the way) and remodel it for resale. Even in 1993 you couldn't do that level of extensive renovations on an entire house with a small profit and expect anything less. Who knows if she even made any money.

spence 07-10-2018 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1146403)
Tighten the chinstrap my little cupcake.
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You are adorable. Always worthy of a reach around in my book.

zimmy 07-10-2018 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146400)
She has a personal net worth of over 8 million. Yet she claims to be for the little guy, rails against the very establishments that got her to where she is. The woman is a two faced fraud

He can relate.

JohnR 07-10-2018 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146390)
I don't think you have ANY evidence to justify your speculation. I've also never heard of a single instance where she received any benefit for this consideration.

Reality is she's extremely smart and passionate which makes her a threat. Put this political smear in context of her significant career and it's insignificant.


What that Academia, particularly Harvard, does not award extra Purple Forehead Stars and unicorn sticker points for extra check boxes on Diversity? They've got an effing wing of Diversity Zampolits. Being one 64th Insert Your Ethnic Diversity Mark here is a big checkmark on Campus. That is worth two whole licks on the Self-Licking Faculty IceCream Cone.

Pete F. 07-10-2018 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146402)
She bought a house from an elderly Oklahoma woman for $30,000 in August of 1993, then sold it for $145,000 3 months later. She either took advantage of the woman, or flipped a property which was it?

That’s when she was a Republican
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wdmso 07-11-2018 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146400)
Don't get led astray Jim on the Indian crap, hit them with her making $430,000 for 2010 and part of 2011 to teach one class. She has a personal net worth of over 8 million. Yet she claims to be for the little guy, rails against the very establishments that got her to where she is. The woman is a two faced fraud

Tump is worth 3.1 billion and says hes for the little guy as well funny dont hear you calling him a 2 faced fraud ??

wdmso 07-11-2018 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146413)
That’s when she was a Republican
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For a Republican to do such a thing it would be heralded as great business sense!!! if it was commented negatively from liberals we would be accused of Hating successful people

But when the shoes is on someone else's foot they find a conscious.. and are outraged :btu:

TheSpecialist 07-11-2018 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146407)
It was 5 months actually.

She helped her family buy a decrepit property (not a foreclosure by the way) and remodel it for resale. Even in 1993 you couldn't do that level of extensive renovations on an entire house with a small profit and expect anything less. Who knows if she even made any money.

Maybe you should read the story, cause that's not what the family is saying about this particular house, one of many she was involved in either purchasing herself or lending the money to her brother or sister in-law on multiple occasions

TheSpecialist 07-11-2018 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146406)
I have never seen a single credible reference that she was paid more than normal to teach X classes.

The point is not whether or not she was paid more, the point is as long as she was getting paid by an institution of higher learning she was fine with the system, once she became a senator the system is bad

TheSpecialist 07-11-2018 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1146401)
How about my argument about her profiting from college students going into debt, while she says it's unethical for banks to do the same. Let's focus on that.

Exactly

TheSpecialist 07-11-2018 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1146416)
Tump is worth 3.1 billion and says hes for the little guy as well funny dont hear you calling him a 2 faced fraud ??

What you don't hear is Trump giving away your hard earned dollars to illegals or putting them ahead of us. You don't hear Trump rolling over you know face down ass up to the rest of the world like the previous status quo.




USA NO LONGER A DOORMAT!!!

TheSpecialist 07-11-2018 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1146417)
For a Republican to do such a thing it would be heralded as great business sense!!! if it was commented negatively from liberals we would be accused of Hating successful people

But when the shoes is on someone else's foot they find a conscious.. and are outraged :btu:

Bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, great for her she made money, then when the next collapse happened and people were doing the same thing she suddenly got a concience as a senator

wdmso 07-11-2018 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146422)
What you don't hear is Trump giving away your hard earned dollars to illegals or putting them ahead of us. You don't hear Trump rolling over you know face down ass up to the rest of the world like the previous status quo.




USA NO LONGER A DOORMAT!!!


nice deflection The usa was never a door mat.. another lie from the right .... putting illegals ahead of Americans another lie from the right ( never knew treating people with dignity was anti American ) .. but again the right longing to go back in time to when the country great but the cant say when that was ... patriotism and Nationalism are not the same

Pete F. 07-11-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146423)
Bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, great for her she made money, then when the next collapse happened and people were doing the same thing she suddenly got a concience as a senator

And what did she propose to do that was incorrect?

Sea Dangles 07-11-2018 09:25 AM

I am not sure why America First offends Americans.
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Jim in CT 07-11-2018 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146425)
And what did she propose to do that was incorrect?

She criticizes people for doing that which she has done. It's OK for her to get rich off the backs of college students, but she attacks banks for doing the same thing. You see nothing a wee bit hypocritical there?

Pete F. 07-11-2018 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1146428)
She criticizes people for doing that which she has done. It's OK for her to get rich off the backs of college students, but she attacks banks for doing the same thing. You see nothing a wee bit hypocritical there?

Is it hypocritical for a Democrat to accumulate wealth?
Why do you think her wealth was from wages at colleges?
She has written 11 books
Did she make students go to college?
In 2009, The Boston Globe named her the Bostonian of the Year[28] and the Women's Bar Association of Massachusetts honored her with the Lelia J. Robinson Award.[134] She was named one of Time Magazine's 100 Most Influential People in the World in 2009, 2010 and 2015.[135] The National Law Journal repeatedly has named Warren as one of the Fifty Most Influential Women Attorneys in America,[136] and in 2010 it honored her as one of the 40 most influential attorneys of the decade.[137] In 2011, Warren was inducted into the Oklahoma Hall of Fame.[138] In January 2012, Warren was named one of the "top 20 US progressives" by the British New Statesman magazine.[106]

In 2009, Warren became the first professor in Harvard's history to win the law school's The Sacks–Freund Teaching Award for a second time.[139] In 2011, she delivered the commencement address at the Rutgers Law School in Newark, her alma mater, and obtained an honorary Doctor of Laws degree and membership in the Order of the Coif.[140]

In 2018, the Women's History Month theme in the United States was "Nevertheless, She Persisted: Honoring Women Who Fight All Forms of Discrimination against Women", referring to Mitch McConnell's "Nevertheless, she persisted" remark about Warren.

Of course she's persisting so that is why you are losing your mind about her.

Sea Dangles 07-11-2018 10:10 AM

Pete, in case you didn't understand the question, Jim asked if you see hypocrisy in her actions. It is good that you admire her but why not answer?
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Jim in CT 07-11-2018 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146430)
Is it hypocritical for a Democrat to accumulate wealth?
Why do you think her wealth was from wages at colleges?
She has written 11 books
Did she make students go to college?
In 2009, The Boston Globe named her the Bostonian of the Year[28] and the Women's Bar Association of Massachusetts honored her with the Lelia J. Robinson Award.[134] She was named one of Time Magazine's 100 Most Influential People in the World in 2009, 2010 and 2015.[135] The National Law Journal repeatedly has named Warren as one of the Fifty Most Influential Women Attorneys in America,[136] and in 2010 it honored her as one of the 40 most influential attorneys of the decade.[137] In 2011, Warren was inducted into the Oklahoma Hall of Fame.[138] In January 2012, Warren was named one of the "top 20 US progressives" by the British New Statesman magazine.[106]

In 2009, Warren became the first professor in Harvard's history to win the law school's The Sacks–Freund Teaching Award for a second time.[139] In 2011, she delivered the commencement address at the Rutgers Law School in Newark, her alma mater, and obtained an honorary Doctor of Laws degree and membership in the Order of the Coif.[140]

In 2018, the Women's History Month theme in the United States was "Nevertheless, She Persisted: Honoring Women Who Fight All Forms of Discrimination against Women", referring to Mitch McConnell's "Nevertheless, she persisted" remark about Warren.

Of course she's persisting so that is why you are losing your mind about her.

What are you afraid would happen, exactly, if you admitted I had a point.

I never ever said teaching was her only source of wealth. Liberals, when backed into a corner, like to respond to things that no one ever said, when they can’t reapind to what was actually said.

Try to follow..

Warren criticized banks for profiting off of college students. But warren made north of $400k teaching at Harvard. So why is it ok for her to make a lot of money off college kids spending a fortune on school, but evil when banks do it?

Here, I will make it a fill in the blank for you.

I, Pete F, think it’s ok for warren to make a fortune off of kids paying for college, and I think it’s ok For her to attack banks for doing the same exact thing, because ____________
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Pete F. 07-11-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1146431)
Pete, in case you didn't understand the question, Jim asked if you see hypocrisy in her actions. It is good that you admire her but why not answer?
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No I don't think it is hypocritical for people to accumulate wealth.
Remember you guys in Mass elected her.
I do think Jim is confusing democrats with people who want to live in a communal society and loudly repeating things that are only partially true.
Remember Democrat/Progressive Bad, Trumplican/Authoritarian Good

Pete F. 07-11-2018 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1146432)
What are you afraid would happen, exactly, if you admitted I had a point.

I never ever said teaching was her only source of wealth. Liberals, when backed into a corner, like to respond to things that no one ever said, when they can’t reapind to what was actually said.

Try to follow..

Warren criticized banks for profiting off of college students. But warren made north of $400k teaching at Harvard. So why is it ok for her to make a lot of money off college kids spending a fortune on school, but evil when banks do it?

Here, I will make it a fill in the blank for you.

I, Pete F, think it’s ok for warren to make a fortune off of kids paying for college, and I think it’s ok For her to attack banks for doing the same exact thing, because ____________
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Not the exact same thing at all.
The college could choose anyone to work there and was not required to employ Ms Warren.
The students had no other options and are not told the ramifications of financing their college educations, now I do feel that they are definitely culpable in their choices but I have no more objection to her attacking banks for their practices than I do of Trump attacking Phizer for their pricing.

TheSpecialist 07-11-2018 11:14 AM

Someone either has reading comprehension issues, or needs picture books

Jim in CT 07-11-2018 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 1146435)
Someone either has reading comprehension issues, or needs picture books

He’s not coming close to answering what I asked.
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Sea Dangles 07-11-2018 11:38 AM

He may actually believe himself
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