HR04 and especially MikeP....I gotta start smokin' some of the stuff you guys are smokin'.....cause Defense is all that got any shortstops with the only exception of Ernie Banks into the hall of fame!!!!:smash: Ozzie hit .262 lifetime and you are telling me it was not his glove that got him into the hall?????:confused: How many .262 hitters are in the hall of fame guys????? Guaranteed the only ones in there have over 500 homers!!!! I have looked at the numbers for the other hall of fame shortstops guys......and they are all defensive oriented players who hit less than .260......oooooppppssss sorry I forgot Yount and he played the last 6 or 7 years at first base and in the outfield! Check the stats guys on the hall of fame shortstops and then come talk to me.......cause you ain't makin' any sense. There are only 5 or 6 modern day shortstops in the hall and only about ten all together......modern day are Lou Boudreau, Ernie Banks, Pee Wee Reese, Aparicio, Banks, Smith and Yount!!!! I have done my homework guys......check it out!:read:

:D

Plus...."He drew walks"?????? Is that a new criteria for shortstops to get into the hall of fame?:walk:

:smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

The onslaught has begun.....now duck!:hidin:

When I coached Little League a walk was as goog as a hit..

Lets see....where is my hall of fame book???? I know there was a guy that got election to the hall of fame based solely on the fact that he walked.....well I know it is in there somewhere!:rolleyes:

CAUTION-Sarcasm can become addictive when taken in large doses. Do not take sarcasm on an empty stomach!:D

I just ate..No empty stomach here

Remdog was saying on the air today that Nomar asked Francona this week for a week off to recoup. Nomar was also quoted by teamates as saying he wanted to be on the DL for August so he could be ready for September. Larry Luchino called him up the other day, to let him know he was being shopped to the Cubs, and he asked him how he felt. Nomar's reply was that he was great. He has been an unhappy sandbagger, probably part of the reason the team has had a bad funk lately. GOOD RIDDENCE.

That applies to his attitude ,which sucked...I agree, but not to his ability

Oh yee of too much faith!:smash:

Man, you guys must have flunked out of school.....not a single one of you can read....so I will only say this one more time......NO ONE IS EVER DRAFTED BECAUSE OF THEIR DEFENSIVE SKILLS. DEFENSE CAN BE TAUGHT. SO SCOUTS DO NOT CONSIDER IT WHEN EVALUATING TALENT. SURE, IN ORDER TO STAY IN THE BIG LEAGUES YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO PLAY DEFENSE (NO KIDDING), BUT IT IS NOT A PREREQUISITE TO BEING DRAFTED.

Was that plain enough english for you?

I would like to meet just one scout that would agree with you on that one HR04.......do you by any chance scout for the Sox?:smash: They are constantly drafting players with no talent!:smash:

Then if the scouts do not evaluate a player for their talent.....:confused: .....then what the heck do they bother looking at them for???? To see how good they look in tight pants???:eek:

If defense can be taught as you say, then why are there so many terrible defensive players in the Major leagues???:smash: (Other than the fact that the player knows how to swing a bat?):smash:

Players must have some degree of talent to "be" drafted or even be eligible HR04......are you telling me that you were drafted simply because you had "no" talent or because you "had" talent?:huh:

By the way....when you say you played baseball at a "high" level....what exactly does that mean? Semi-pro....College.....or did you play in the minors at some level?:confused:

I ended up playing Triple A for two seasons.....

nomar's got hands of stone or has lately anyway. hes hit well(above 300) but in the clutch.......eww......his attitude sucked cabrera is a great glove as is pokey derek lowe will benefit much from this trade. no more booted double play balls that end up costing him 3 runs in an inning :D *dodges the onslaught*

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Surfcastinglife
*dodges the onslaught*
don't know about that.... :hidin:

haha i dont think its possible to dodge the coming onslaught :laughs:

Good Luck to Nomahhh!!!
 

I always liked the guy and, Granted this year he has been a whiner, But he always worked hard for the team. It seems he had a bad playoff last year and all of a sudden people wanted to run him out of town on a rail.

Here some stats on the guy

2 time Batting Champ and finished in the top ten two other times
5 times top 10 in MVP voting
6 times top 10 in hits including last season
4 times top 10 in total bases
4 times top 10 in doubles
3 times top 10 in triples including last season
6 times top 10 in Extra base hits including last season

He was a career .323 Post Season hitter with a career Post Season slugging percentage of .625.

So you may agree w/ the trade (i do, I mean at least we got someting before he walked) but don't make it seem like the guy did nothing but screw us over for the past 9 years. Since he's been here we've been enjoying some pretty good baseball.......its not his fault for the past 86 years...

BF: I think what HR04 meant to say is that he was high when he played baseball. :happy:

Aren't you guys like NINE AND A HALF games out of first place. I'm thinking NOmar isn't your only problem here.....

Boudreau's career BA was .295 and Yount's was .285. Of the HOF shortstops you listed who were elected by the BWAA, Ozzie and Aparicio are tied for the lowest BA at .262. Rizzuto was voted in by the Veterans' Committee after years of being by-passed by the writers and his lifetime BA is .273, .004 points higher than Reese's. And by the way, Yount's average plummetted the last 4-5 years of his career playing the outfield--he hit .331 one year playing short.

So, is Mark Belanger not in the Hall because he "only" won 8 Gold Gloves with a lifetime fielding pct of .977, .001 lower than Ozzie's, or is it because of his career .228 BA? After all, they get in there on defense and their hitting is just icing on the cake :rolleyes:

ice man we aren't 9.5 out of first we're 1 back of the wildcard :) divisions dont count!!!

That's funny 28inches....perhaps your handle should be "28IQ" instead....:D

You want to talk about defense being the only way a shortstop gets into the Hall. Check out the lifetime fielding percentages of those in the HOF as opposed to some of the gloves who aren't there:

Boudreau--.973
Aparicio-----.972
Reese-------.962
Banks-------.962
Yount-------.969
Smith--------.978
Rizzuto------.968

Now the non-HOFers:


Larry Bowa---.980
Belanger------.977
Concepcion--.971


These are their fielding averages at short, not the other positions they may have played.

Garciaparra--------------.969

I think this deal sucks. Granted I know they were going to lose him next year but for what they got in return there is no way I would have done this deal. Cabera is a free agent next year also and now they have 3 first baseman. Millar is an average 1st baseman and his bat has been hot, now his playing time is going to get cut. The sox had one of the best 3,4,5 lineups in the league, now their lineup has taken a major hit.

i would have perferred pitching in return for nomore. chicago knew theo was instructed to dump nomore and made out, i understand that 2 wks ago they were willing to deal clement(so so record, good era).

HR04....don't get me wrong, not looking to take a cheap shot at you, just curious about your baseball background. Two years triple A, thats pretty good stuff!;) What Major League team was the triple A team affiliated with?

MikeP....I absolutely agree with you about Concepcion, Belanger, Bowa and other guys like Bobby Grich......those guys could throw some leather......I grew up watching them, they were great! Great stats on Belanger MikeP....8 gold gloves....now that is impressive! I gotta tell you though, and maybe you will agree and maybe not, but Nomar does not have a snowballs chance in hell of making the hall unless he steps up his fielding and catches a few gold gloves himself........a shortstop with a better than average bat ain't much unless he can throw some decent glove.:huh:

I have tickets to a Patriots game this year :happy:


Red Sox? :confused: :laughs: haven't been to a game yet this year and it doesn't look like I will :yak6:

Mike knows what he speaks about

;) Of that I have no doubt!:D

Maybe Nomar has a chance now in the NL for a Gold Glove. Tougher competition in the AL. Vizquel has practically owned it the last 10 years, with an A-Rod throw-in.

Betcha Vizquel doen't make it to the HOF either :D

Yo Bruce, i got sox tick's(blue jays).....wanna trade??:hee: