In my experience,
Arra = Fragile... but then again I'm not gentle (not that I'm implying you are light on your tackle mike...) heard you boys found some fish before the storm.... :D

scupper!

I've also found that cutting an 11' GSB L or M blank a foot from the butt makes for a stiffer rod than the stock 10' equivalent blank. My 132 1M cut a foot from the butt will snap my 120 1M in a tug of war, I suspect.

I really like the 1213m, but I couldn't see casting it all night. How often do I throw a plug the 1205 can't cast? Not that often...

-spence

that is a sick rod! i threw that thing all last weekend. nothing like a glass rod, a big conventional, and 30# mono to whoop some bass! i like being able to lift a 20# bass straight out of the water with the rod, too. it really helps in nasty surf!

i have an11 foot glass lami... its one of the honey blanks... i dont know the #'s on it..... the thing is a bazooka, and i cant use braid on it, if I do, the braid always seems to wrap around the guides while I cast due to the pole moving around like a CB antenna...great rod though... maybe I'll cut that one down this winter to 10 ft and teach myself to wrap.... i was going to sell it this fall anyway as i rarely use it.

As good as the 11' honey Lamis are for whipping fish, they can't hold a candle to the 121 3M. Last time I used mine for chinking in the Canal, I got a few "wow, I can't believe you got that fish in so quick out of that current" from the guys fishing next to me". The 121 isn't a 136 3M missing a foot of butt--it's a whole different rod (size 14 tip as opposed to a 12 on the 136) and a smaller butt diameter. Much stiffer, and it shouldn't oscillate as much on the cast and cause braid to wrap around the guide fett if you go spinning with it.

The other killer Ditch rod I have is an old S-glass 2F that was cut 10" from the tip. Light as a feather and I've brought 30 pounders to the rocks inside of 5 minutes. Put a Newell 235 or 229 on it and you can fish it all night without feeling it in your joints.

I also have the 1208 All Star. I've never felt it was overmatched casting 4 oz jigs, but lifting them off the bottom in 40' of water makes it "weep" a little too much for my liking. It should be fine for tossing 3 oz plugs tho, and it's substantially cheaper than a 120 1M or an XRA 1205. I agree that the Batson SW 1208 might not be ideal for big plugs, but the SU version should do it without breaking a sweat.

Sorry in advance....
 

I just can't help myself......

Mike P,

I've never been chinking in the canal before, can you please advise a good shop where I can pick up some chinamen?

Thanks a million

Zac (d#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g)

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china town in boston

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Eben, I'd make sure you cut the foot off the tip...should cut down on that flex problem :smash:

1213m is great. Throws bait, jigs, big wood, snakes and pole vaulting to that far away rock :uhoh:

-spence

I have a 121 3m I use for jiggin here in NJ can't explain what it is bout this rod but i love it it can whip a fish in no time an the parabolic nature of the glass keeps the hooks in the fish better.Just wish it would cast further.one spot i use 2-3 oz.bucktails an the rod kinda folds while casting my 11' grafite goes the extra 30 yds.What blank can i get to 11 ft to handle this weight an cast further.........I don't plan on chinking with this rod as I am mostly a lure guy.:D

Ok guys

I am starting to do some research myself into expanding the weaponry this winter....

I currently have the...

Amtac 1209 Spinning (custom)(Heavy Plugs & Jigs)
XSRA 1204-2 Spinning (factory)(Eeels & light stuff on the beaches)
XRA 1205 Conv (custom)(Using for everything as I luv ut bad)

Have been thingking the XRA 126 Conv....but now you guys have me thinking

What is next in the arsenal???

What is the true difference between the 1201M & the 1213

any advice is appreciated

btw...I am building these myself...at least trying

I have a bsb1213m also NIB, it's my backup canal jigging stick, and my only 10' plugging spinning rod. I love it but it is heavy.

Go build a cabinet. :D u need another rod.U need CS to build u a 1322 asap.

patrick I have a XRA-1084 and its the sweetest 9 footer i've ever used for light plugging... seems like you got the heavy stuff covered-

I think the 1213m is closer to the 126 than the 120m, at least when I bought a 1213m that's what I was comparing it to. Unless you plan to toss heavier jigs or some bait I would think the 1205 would do most everything else.

-spence

patrick - gsb1201m is graphite. sb1213m is glass. that's the big difference. price is the next.

spece - what's wrong w/ perfection wire guides? i have them on my glass spin rod and would do it again. they work perfect for mono. i can drop my rod, smash it on things and i won't need to worry about breaking a ceramic ring. i would not use braid on it, as that's not its purpose. i won't chip the chrome finish ever on those guides. mildrum's chrome chipped very easily and are junk. if you fish braid, then go w/ ceramics for sure.

Eben 1213M= HEAVY but, If you have strong arms it is THE rod. Casts so slow and sweet you can hardly backlash. Ask Throwing Timber, He learned how to cast conventional on mine and was throwin faaaar after about 10 minutes.:D

Hey Longshot... thanks for the words there but it was Basic Patrick that was asking about that blank...I'm going with the GSB1021M... cant wait to try it out!

Who here uses an Allstar 1208?? good jigging rod no?? stiffer than a batson 1208? If you have an Allstar 1208 and a GSB1201M, how would you compare them?? I might pick up one of those too:devil:

Eben, i have that in both spinning and conventional that i built. i hardly touch the 1208's anymore. the spinner has a good coating of dust on it now, and the conventional only sees time jigging the channel. it is a good blank, but not as versatile, in my opinion, as the 1201M. it is a very fast blank. i prefer a much more moderate action. it will, however, send a 3 ounce plug to the horizon!

I don't know about spinning but I like my as conventional. The rod maybe is a hair too stiff to use braid with but for mono with heavy plugs and big surf it is a great rod. Not a danny or an eel rod, much more specific than what can be done with the GSBs. Maybe with spinning your're going to get more lure weight range, but still I think the rod likes 3oz and up. Its a great rod for working darters in current, and when your done working darters, throw on a jig.

hmm well this is interesting... I seem to be in one of those mindsets now that if i cant fish wen i want to, I have to amass more gear.... I feel like those ladies who want 30 pairs of shoes in the closet... Anyway, i'm just tire kicking.. the allstar 1208 was a rod i wanted to get before I tried out goosefish's lovestick... the 1201m :love: but i bet the allstar would still be a great stick for topwater poppers as well as jigging...

Toby how many rods do you own?:hihi:

Anybody played witha Calstar 900M? This blank is flexible at the tip so it will throw light stuff but gradually gets meaner and meaner until it is strong enough to throw a cinder block. At 9 feet it is a little heavier than an Arra 1024, but not much. I have used their 850 m and 850 L. It's time the secret got out. These are great blanks.

Toby owns close to 500 surf outfits. But he only uses 3.