A bag of herb is FAR easier for a high schooler to obtain than any amount of alcohol. Had that very conversation with my cousin on Thanksgiving.

The government should legalize the weed and tax the piss out of it instead of spending millions/billions trying to fight it. Turn a loss into a gain in an endeavor that is doomed to fail.

If alcohol is legal, weed should definitely be legal. I would feel far safer around someone that is stoned than someone that is drunk. Do people smoke a bone and get into fights? No. Do people smoke a bone and drive fast and out of control? No. Do people smoke a bone and do things they regret? Unless they regretted watching a bad movie, most probably not.

Also,I have many friends that have battled the alcohol/drug demons, and I will say that none had any problems with pot. Booze? Yes. Coke? Oh yeah. Heroin? Most definitely. Make the weed legal, tax it, and throw the proceeds and savings into fighting OC's, coke, and heroin. Those are the real problem drugs. Well...those and the worst of all, booze.

well said DC

Only the druggie stoner types want that chit legal so they can smoke it.

Well I think it should be legalized and I am an engineer with a Master's Degree. So what does that make me? Have you ever had a friend or family member with cancer who has gone through so much chemo and all the pills they given them for nausea have more side effects then the one problem that the pill is "supposed" to be helping with. If something as simple as an herb that can be grown naturally and does not have to be processed or chemically derived can help to lessen that nausea and given them a little bit of an appetite enabling them to eat(yes getting the munchies does help them), then I am all for it. And as others have said tax the hell out of it.

Used to smoke a lot of ganga and quit pretty easily. Can't quit the butts though.......which one do you think is worse? Pot is not addictive like booze, butts, and hard drugs. Big business is the reason pot(hemp) is still illegal. They stand to lose too much if cheaper products via hemp were made legal. The use of hemp fiber, oil, etc. is well documented and could put a serious dent in some of the Company's that have well paid lobbiests as well as kickback funded govt officials in their pockets.

I would agree whole heartedly with Fishdump's angle on legalizing it. It took one instance for me to be turned off by it. Good friend apparently bought some pot laced with animal tranquilizers or something, they really don't know, but suspect a crystal or shard of something made it's way into his brain which is about the equivalent of stewed tomatoes now. I tried it a couple times but liked the way a few to many beers made me feel better. Wouldn't hold it against anyone to partake, but I think I'm just too old to think that someday I'd feel comfortable if one of my girls sat there and boned up after a nice Sunday dinner.

Just make it legal. Its everywhere, and its not going anywhere. How many smoking accidents are there? My Aunt was killed by a drunk driver....somebody try and tell my poor Grandmother that booze is no big deal. Anything used in excess is a bad thing, you just have to know your limits. I am a professional beer drinker, but you won't find me driving after I have had some.( or around my grandmother ). Alcohol can take away someone's life very easily, its very addictive. It took my Aunt & almost took my Dad away from me ( he had a long battle with it when I was a kid ), but he beat it. Smoking is no way near as dangerous as that stuff.

im 19 years old. for the better part of my freshman and sophmore yrs at high school i smoked pot. not with any regularity just occasionally take a puff. some of the kids smoked cigs everyday some a pack a day. weed is dangerous because u really dont know what these drug dealers are doing to it. the pure marijuana straight from the plant is very different. legalize it regulate it with govt agencies, and take this crap off the hands of the dealers. make it 18+ and make sure ur distributing weaker doses. its impossible to overdose from marijuana you would have to smoke an ungodly amount in a short period of time to die. it is a drug yes, but it is only frowned upon because as a society we've been taught to hate it to look upon it as evil. imagine if we all conditioned our kids to hate alcohol, to consider it evil how many lives would be saved? how many 18 yr olds would still be here with us 2day? maybe im wrong, but i can tell you this much. all my friends who smoked weed are still with me most in college, 3 of the ones who drank are buried. maybe we've illegalized the wrong drug this whole time

Stoners Stoners you are all stoners!:laughs: Truthfully i could care less wether they leagalize it or not i guess. If someone wants to smoke that #^&#^&#^&#^& go right ahead and look like the loser that they are. You've all heard the stories....most hard core drug users start with pot and move on to the more potent stuff. If they want to be drug bags hell let them be for all care. Just stay the hell away from me. If legalize it and taxing the crap out of it means i pay less in taxes then what the hell do it i guess. Save me some $$ in taxes maybe:D It will never be fully legalized anyway so its not even worth arguing about!Med purposes it will probably be and thats it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Skip N
[B] You've all heard the stories....most hard core drug users start with pot and move on to the more potent stuff. [i][quote]

I bet before they smoke herb they smoked ciggarettes and drank alcohol. So all these cancer patients in cali smoking herb are gonna start shooting heroin soon to relieve their pain???

I beleive it is riduculous that alcohol is legal and pot is not. How many people were killed by drunk drivers, fights, ruined marriages, and careers by alcohol? It is one of the most addictive drugs (yes, alcohol is a drug). Pot should be legal. I am suprised that no one has challenged the constitutionality of the govt. telling me I cannot smoke if I want to. As long as I do not hurt anyone, I should be able to take any drug that I want.
The argument that pot leads to harder drugs is hilarious. Does beer drinking lead to drinking harder alcohol? All drugs are bad, cafefiene wacks me out. But people should use there own discretion adn teh govt. should enforce this.

"Legalize it, and I will advertise it..." seriously, not even one case of anyone dieing from smokin the herb..crazy huh? :smokin:

"Leeegalize it, don't criticize it"

Skip...I'm glad someone is listening to the anti-drug ads.

However, you are way off base calling every pot smoker a loser and a drugbag. I feel that couldn't be further from the truth. I have a friend who is an extremely successful professional who doesn't drink but smokes weed daily. I can honestly say that the kid has it togther - he's fit, he's successful, has a wonderful family, and he smokes weed every day. He feels it is far more responsible for him to smoke weed than to drink. What is the problem with that? How in any shape or form is he a loser? I don't think you can lump people into your preconceived notions.

Another vote for legalization here.... This quote is from an excellent article on the failings of alcohol prohibition. Almost all of it can be applied to marijuana prohibition.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-157.html

"Although consumption of alcohol fell at the beginning of Prohibition, it subsequently increased. Alcohol became more dangerous to consume; crime increased and became "organized"; the court and prison systems were stretched to the breaking point; and corruption of public officials was rampant. No measurable gains were made in productivity or reduced absenteeism. Prohibition removed a significant source of tax revenue and greatly increased government spending."

Weed is illegal??? :eek:

Since when? :confused:

I, just like Mr. Tosh, say "legalize it". Both sides of the issue have strong supporting arguments. However, if it is alleviating someones pain (physical not mental) that should be the most important issue. I just hope that the people who are throwing stones don't also drink. If they do they are very hypocritical.

" I don't think you can lump people into your preconceived notions."

Fine then...."most" pot smokers are losers. You happy now? Geeze get a grip:rolleyes: I hope that dude isnt smoking around his kids or anything at home. Then he would fall into my loser category:D

Drug Testing
 

I'm sure some of you are in the same boat I am. I often have to take drug tests in order to keep my job.

So......if it were to be past and someone was to take it for medicinal purposes and fail the test what will it become then?

This will just lead to more problems and issues. Best not to legalize it.

Fine then...."most" pot smokers are losers.

Skip N...you need to get a grip. Just go ahead and make some more generalizations while you're at it. You can just as easily say most beer drinkers are losers.

I mentioned before it doesn't really matter to me but I gotta play devil's advocate a little. First, why compare pot to alcohol to make the argument that pot should be legalized? One comment that was made was that pot is not as dangerous as alcohol, which tells me there really should be some concern about one's motor skills or abilities after smoking, but I'm really just not seeing that those two substances should fall into the same boat for the sake of a comparison. Other than medical, is there an argument for pot that stands on it's own merit? Or maybe compare pot to tobacco, but then wouldn't you get into a discussion about legalization that might lead to the government regulating and taxing the industry and you might find that to sell it you had to modify it a little so all joints are created equal in strength, then maybe you have to filter it to ward off the harmful effects of smoke in general and what do you end up with? "Please, sir, give me a pack of Mary-Jane Lights joints." I agree, take the comments like "all users are..." out of a thread like this, but if you're going to support this issue then there's got to be more scientific fact about its advantages or how you see it become legalized and controlled and less "it should be legalized because it's not as bad as X". I'm sure I'm no longer a Bomba Brother in good standing, now, but that's just my take on it.

Being a clean cut sheltered guy :rollem: can anyone tell me all of the negatives/cons with Ganja ? I have been reading alot online today on the subject but there doesn't seem to be many negatives/cons to it. Not addictive, not even one single death due to it? Why not make it legal and tax the crap outta it...

I say absolutely no! To legalize any recreational drug under the banner of pain relief is absurb.

But to legalize a recreational drug under the banner of recreational use is OK ???

Remember Alcohol used to be Illegal

By your logic 179, why are cigarettes and booze legal?

Legalize it.
Then sell it at Wal-Mart with dopey looking smiley faces.

Just my opinion guys. If I recall I am entitled to it :)

The Emperor Wears No Clothes
 

Heres a link to The book The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack herer. Its got the full book available to read on line for free. He lays it all out on the floor from the beginning and backs every thing up 100%. jackherer.com

Jack will even give anyone who can prove him wrong $100,000, no one has yet.

179 ,do you think heroin or cocaine have any medical value??

"Legalize it, and I will advertise it..." seriously, not even one case of anyone dieing from smokin the herb..crazy huh?

Tell that to two of my best friends from HS who died at the ages of 16 and 17 because they were stoned and wrapped their car around a telephone pole. Or maybe tell that to another friend in HS who ran a stoplight while he was stoned hitting a car broadside killing an 11 yro girl.... Yeah pot doesn't harm anyone...what absolute BS.

100k dats alot of pluggage...

179...teenage driving deaths are mostly due to driving inepeience. I would lay even money that they may have been drinking as well in either case.

Also...pot didn't harm anyone in either case. Driving a car did.

If you are interested in the non-medical use of drugs in this country, the time to go back to is 1900, and in some ways the most important thing I am going to say to you guys I will say first. That is, that in 1900 there were far more people addicted to drugs in this country than there are today. Depending upon whose judgment, or whose assessment, you accept there were between two and five percent of the entire adult population of the United States addicted to drugs in 1900. mostly to morphine and look today it is a widly used pain killer . weed could do the same to those that need the use of weed for pain or being able to eat from kemo treatments .

anyone against it may never had anyone really sick from cancer . It helps make life bearable for the patient .

as far as it being leagal for rec use . NO it would raise the price to high due to taxation , and the quality might suffer .

remember the question was for medical use !

exactly......179 I also lost 5 very very close friends in high school, so I understand your feelings, but to attribute it, or even blame it on pot, that doesn't cut it to me. Driving inexperiance, poor judgement and lack of respect for a lethal weapon (car)...all can be lumped into that...Just MHO.......been there, done that.........

This thread was started as a question of wether or not pot should be legalized for medical purposes.... There is no question that it should be legalized. Cocaine is used for medical purposes, so where is the logic that pot shouldnt? Its this type of thinking that blows my mind, but I've come to learn that I shouldnt be surprised, i mean look at whose in the oval office. :smash:
welcome to Dumb#^&#^&#^&#^&istan

why pick on stan he doesnt even smoke pot

Guys I blame the deaths I mentioned above solely on the poor judgement of the drivers who were impaired by the pot. They were stoned and not drunk when the accidents happened, the driver who hit the car broadside was arrested for possesion. My point is these guys chose to get into their vehicles and drive while they were high resulting in 3 deaths and countless ruined lifes for their families and friends. Was the high worth it?

Next time you decide to light up and hit the road think about the stories I just told you. My fear is once it is legalized for medical use what's next? Would you be happy with it being sold at cumberland farms? It's bad enough we have to deal with the endless drunks on the road we don't need another large percentage of the population out there driving stoned because it's legal....

If you want to get high, do it, enjoy it, smoke till your brain dead, just stay the hell off the roads.

good point 179.

this situation corresponds with gun control... its not the guns that kill people, its the people who used poor judgement while using those guns.


as for pot, I cant speak for everyone else here but I wont touch the stuff, but if it will help someone, why not...:smokin:

good thing you can,t speak for someone else here :rolleyes:

I will speak for you....... "^$%@#%&$#&%$# booofish!" :hihi:

"Skip N...you need to get a grip. Just go ahead and make some more generalizations while you're at it. You can just as easily say most beer drinkers are losers"

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