I tryed to screw my self it didnt work, im am italian but im not a miricle worker, Ahhhh awsome John he is my hero.
Im mental did you know that?
Take a chill pill and read between the lines.

BM.....your killin me!!!! I am a chick and I like things that have "pretty colors".........gimmie some of then plugs!!!!!!:D :D :D

P.S. I hope thats the GOOD china!;)

Allright guys, I think maybe we have gone adrift here.

I can take a little ribbing. I can have a wicked sense of humor. Hey, when I was shown the picture of the tuna caught in the Ditch, I even laughed. I have nothing against a little joking and I can take it. In fact, when I read all the responses on here, I laughed.

Now when you put this over on the other site, it turns from joking, to malicious slamming. I know it's hard for you guys to see it because all of you can still post over there. I can't. Over there, it's an open free for all.

So let's end it with this. I am a fisherman. I believe in my instincts. If you don't, then don't. What do I care?

Jenn, those are his sexy striper candy plugs. They are sweet

BM, Whats goin on? Just got back from Rhody this morning, LOTS of Fish around with quite a few LARGE...Heading to Montauk tommorow for the next two nights, gotta love the fall! I'm up for fishing with ya anytime, just gotta remember I get a shot at you to buddy.....Let me know when you're up for it. nights are getting longer and you're gonna be praying for a shorter night..No 4X4's where were goin....
As far as the plugs go, I have half left of what I got that night :-( Had it with not getting the plugs I need so I'm gonna make building my little winter time hobby....
Patrick, You're awfully touchy there Bud...I know I never said anything to try and put you down, just sharing My Experiences. ..I Fish ALOT...Can't always trust that "sense", If I did then I would end up in my nice warm bed on those Stormy, cold, wet November nights, Instead I chose to get pummeled by waves, swept of rocks., and catching fish...Gotta be out there to catch em...

Patrick, One other thing....What ever happened with you on SOL, I missed it. I pretty much read only the posts that interest me or where I can contribute..

I am loosah girl....I have no instinct, I hook myself:rolleyes: , I get skunked more than I care to speak of, but its still fun to get out there when I get the chance!!!! and when I DO get out....and if I DO get a fish......it makes it all worth it........quit stressing about it!

and as for who fished hard core and who didnt..... well I will admit I didnt.......but I got the chance to meet some great people and talk with some fine fishermen (I think:p ....just kidding) and I threw out a few lines in between.......

lemme ask you something Patrick (and I am not trying to bust yer stones here) are you having fun when you are out there?????? whether or not your catchin????? thats all that matters!

Hmmm......I am a striper and I was some candy......I am going trick-r-treatin at BM's house!!!!! or is he one of those scabs that shuts all the lights off on halloween!!!!!?????

Cowhnter,

I have nothing against you. In fact, I have nothing against anyone really but those that insist on perpetuating trouble over on SOL. None of them know me. The ones I've met up in Rhody would probably agree I'm a cool tempered guy, quiet, and kinda shy. It's just when these people take shots at me for no other reason but to draw attention to themselves, it kinda annoys me. It's hard to believe but I really don't like the attention. I fish my way and I'm not asking anyone to change, just saying how I do it. Guys were pissed when I was dishonest, now guys crack jokes when I'm honest. It's a no win situation.

BTW, I usually do best when it is rough. That's when I get the feeling there are fish around.

Jenn, I didn't see your post until I finished my last one.

I always have fun when I fish. Doesn't matter if I catch or not. The friends, the people I meet, or even just getting out there by myself stretching the muscles. It all feels good. I'm not going to deny catching doesn't feel great too. I honestly believe salt air is a therapeutic for me. As soon as I smell the salt (even though I can't from my house because of all the traffic on the nearby streets), once I do, it's heavenly. Makes me forget all the troubles.

Having fun fishing. Great idea!! :)

OK , We bust Patrick and he fights back and thats fun but........ I don't like you using this board as a launch pad to fight with people posting on the other board. You lost your right to post there so you can't reply.

Don't get this site involved in your problems over there.

Saltheart,

Shouldn't it be a two way street? Why do they have to bring what I say over there?

I wouldn't have done such if DaveS had just kept it here.

I don't know what's fair , that gets complicated , this is simple , fair or not ....Don't get this site involved in your problems over there.

Last time I checked, 2 wrongs still don't make a right.

I'm not talking about fair. If I was talking about fair, I would say, here some folks bring what I say here, over there where I can't respond while anything I say here, they can respond. That's not fair in my opinion but I'm not talking about fair.

What I'm talking about is what's right. Allright, what I say, some would consider assinine. But here, DaveS brings what I said over there. DaveS was the first to link people from "there" over to here in this incident. Isn't HE the one who is guilty of starting the mingling between both sites? You get a dozen or more people taking pot shots at ya, and you have to retaliate. No one goes for that "bigger person" junk anymore. I tried that. Look at the negative campaigning political candidates do. No one values the bigger person anymore. People value who can kick someone in the marbles.

I just don't see why my wrist is being slapped. I didn't start this. I posted honestly and Dave decided to bring it over there. He caused the problem on his own terms. Shouldn't he be the one getting his wrist smacked?

And Slipknot, no two wrongs don't make a right. But if being wrong is what it takes to defend myself, well so be it.

Karma folks, Karma. Stuff comes back to haunt you and even if I'm kicked off of every website in the world, I'll be in shadows laughing when they get theirs.

I agree with yea bloo. Its either hit or miss not because its high or low tide or windy or not windy. Its all got to do with your line being WET!

Patrick---if you persist in making an ass of yourself publicly, people are going to persist in laughing at you. It's really all that simple.

I know DaveS. He's a tough, dedicated fisherman who's been tonging big bass since before you were born. You have any idea of how tough he is physically, how hard on the body it is to jig up big bass from a place like the Highlands Bridge? Or what a beating a guy takes on a REAL jetty in rough conditions? When you post crap---and that's what it is---about Knowing "instinctively" based on "all your years of fishing" (yer 19 years old, fer godsakes, how much "experience" do you honestly think you have???) when it's a waste of time to go---you're fair game for guys with 30 years or more under their belts to tell you you're as full of it as all of us here are trying to tell you in a nice way.

There's a lot of crossover between this site and SOL. Lots of guys are cross registered, and there's even more who read this board and don't bother registering. The whole internet is an open book. You have to know that when you make a public fool of yourself, there's gonna be a backlash at other sites. How long is it going to take you to learn that one, simple fact?

For most of the two or so years you've been an internet "presence" you've basically regurgitated things that you've read as representing your personal experince, and throw out half-cocked ideas that John, in his infinite patience, lets you eat gracefully. You still do the same things on WMI because most of the people there are clueless. I still lurk there, too, and you always seem to avoid adding the disclaimer "so I've read" or "I've been told" whne you pass along tips to guys in Texas or Florida on fishing you know nothing about. Whether you realize it or not, you're a legend around the 'net, Patrick the Wannabe "Expert". Whenever I take a position supporting your reinstatement at SOL, I get a flood of e-mails and PM asking me whether I've lost my mind. Your history precedes you, and IMO it's a case of reaping what you've sowed in the last two years. You don't act the same way here, and I hope it's out of a respect for John and his efforts in trying to keep this board an open, honest forum--but I also wonder if it's partly because you know you can't snow anyone here with blarney.

my 'mature, considered response'
 

Patrick told me to let it die. I guess he's becoming the more mature of the two of us...in any case my point was proven. Patrick could be long gone and people will still have nothing better to do than run their mouths. They succeeded in showing everyone that they have nothing better to do that pick on someone half their age who hasn't even been able to post in ages and whom they've never met. That's the funny part of this whole thing. They call patrick a loser with no life, but what does 42 posts about someone they've never met or talked to in ages say about THEM?
By the way, my responses were as mature as their comments. Talking about my 'time of the month' and the size of Patrick's genitalia shows that they lack the capability to understand a mature response anyway.
Now at Patrick's request I'll try to shut up, unless someone says something else that I have a burning need to respond to.
mindi

I don't care how tough Dave is. It's not like I'm going to go out and pick a fight with someone over stuff that happens on the internet. Jesus, I'm not 8.

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought I was dealing with grown ups. I guess all some of you care about is waiting for someone, specifically me, to put his neck out a little bit so they can rabbit punch me. If that's how you want to be known, that's fine. You want people to always wonder if they can talk frankly around you without the fear of you running around, that's fine too. It's your life, live it however you want to.

Karma is very real though. One day you'll pay for everything. There is no such thing as a free lunch. One day down the line, you'll look back and regret what you've done because something will happen to you.

edited by JR

HAHAHAHA!
 

Good one honey...lol
<kiss>

Patrick;

If you were fishing, or anything for that matter, and saw someone do something stupid or funny, wouldn't you tell your friends about it and get a 'laugh'? Thats whats happenening here.... you say things that guys read and can't help but laugh....and they share it with other people. Whether its right or wrong is just an opinion. The fact is that most of the stuff you post is funny as hell, sometimes it borders on stupidity. Don't take this as a reason to start a flame war with me, as I'm just trying to point something out to you. I remember what its like to be 19 and KNOW everything. My advice to you is to sit back, read the posts from the veterans, and try to apply it to yourself. I've been fishing for 25 years now and I can tell you I learn stuff everyday just from watching, and then I apply it to myself and sometimes it works.

There is NO WAY you can tell if a given day is going to be productive. It just doesn't happen that way, your dealing with fish. That would be like me saying......"HMMMM, I'm not gonna throw the needlefish today, cause I just 'FEEL' like they are eating steak for dinner tonight." It just doesn't happen! I don't care who you are, theres no way to tell. One day they might hit good when its raining, the next day, in the SAME conditions, they won't. Its a matter of being there, if your NOT there, your NOT gonna catch them! Thats it, its all quite basic.

So my advice to you is......just watch. If you don't have anything worthy to add, don't add it. It will just open you up to comments and people will not like you for it. Learn things from others and go fish! And have a good time when you do go, thats what it is all about.

Don't take this as a bashing post, just read it, see if you agree with anything, and maybe start doing something about it. Good Luck!

P.S. Just wanted you to know that TimS removed the link and put the cuffs on them and told them to stop.

OK - I'm going to be very short and not so sweet.

Patrick - this place does not resolve around YOU and what is FAIR or RIGHT to YOU. Is it right for YOU to post regurgitated material to others who are not so keen to your ways? Is it fair if someone takes a tip of yours and gets skunked or worse - injured? So don't start down THAT PATH. You've used this site in the past to complain of your treatment from other sites and even lobbied for reinstatement and you always play the injured party and that, frankly is BS. Is it RIGHT for me to need to see this crap online?

Mindi - he reaps what he sows. I know you have a lot of respect for the kid and I sincerly hope that he treats you well - he certainly seems to, but don't blindly jump to his defense every time there seems to be an inkling of criticism. If someone continued to lie and boast and talk talk talk, you either ignore it or argue back. Some have chosen to ignore and some argue back. And yep, there is humor in a lot of what he says. It's funny sometimes reading pure BS and sometimes just tiresome. I'm not going to get in a debate over fishing or his or your comments about fishing because I really lack the desire to do so now as I'm a little pissed. See, unlike your hero, I cannot devote time to this thread because I have RESPONSIBILITIES & a JOB that takes precedence over this petty CRAP.

I hope that everyone - especially Patrick - will stop here with this. OK?

Patrick...the problem is I don't think that you have ever fished one hard NIGHT. When you have people here that do hundreds of nights a year, they will laugh at you and call your bluff. Simple as that. Understand that and you will understand their perspective. Fishing a few afternoons a month ain't gonna do it.

Why do you think that me and DaveS were sitting around in the breachway while you were casting. Cause the sun was still up!!! Once it went down and it got dark enough, we fished!!!

When you were in Rhody, and you didn't have to drive back to CT, why did you need to sleep. You can sleep when the sun starts to rise or when you got back on Sunday afternoon, it's not like you had a job that you had to be well rested for. You have to earn the respect of the people here...words aren't going to do it. Stop worrying about tackle, reels and building rods. Go fish at night every damn night for the next two months from 10:00pm (cause that's when it will finally be dark enough) till false dawn with what you have, maybe then you will be taken seriously.

Charlie

OK, this has gotten way outa hand and that was'nt my intent Patrick, I am sorry, but when you post responses like the one that set this off, you leave yourself wide open to criticism. It was the way you said that stuff, making it seem like you had this keen "Striper sense" and vast amount of bass catching knowledge, that started me up and led to my posting on SOL. If you would just read,listen,and learn what some very experienced anglers have to say in their posts you never would have had these problems, but instead you try to change the rules of bass fishing that were written long ago, and that aint gonna help ya. Yeah, me,Charlie,and a few others were sitting on a rock watching you cast that plug in the breechway that afternoon, matter of fact, I even offered up a tip or two about fishing a plug in heavy current like in a river or inlet, but even after I gave some advice, you continued to retrieve that plug as fast as you could, dismissing my advice like I never even gave it to ya. The key to getting good is to watch and listen to guys that know, pay attention, zip the lip, and learn. Once again, I'm sorry for causing you embarrasment, I hope you can accept my apology, and if ya ever need some advice about them striped fellers give me a shout.
PS, this is what ya can catch reeling slowly in current.....

Patrick its the topics you post about that opens yourself up to this "abuse" Look at the replies and its all in fun, no one is here to hang you. We like to have a little fun on your expense but don't take it seriously. BTW I had the tuna pic and I brought it just for you. I fished hard in Rhody got knocked down by a wave soaked, changed clothes, went to C-Breachway had two waves break over my head then when back and fished while you were going back to the motel, yes I'm dedicated and nuts! Has any other site brought you fishing and has been this generous to you? Hang in there buddy and get you and Mindi to the Ditch and I'll show you how to use that 7000 Abu!:D :cool:

Hi Patrick,

Glad to see you have never lost your touch. :) Hang in there buddy, you were doing good till now...just climb back up to the wagon. :)

Mindi hats off to you.

Patrick and I go a long way at Noreast. Glad to see you plugging while everyone else were sitting---classic!

Apologies..
 

but there's just a few things I want to say...my apologies to Patrick for sticking my nose in and to John for adding more crap..

First of all, the reason Patrick posts some ideas that are a little off-the-wall, or tries to help out when someone has a question (even if his responses aren't always 'expert') , isn't because he is trying to be a 'know-it-all', it's because considers you guys his friends and he TRUSTS you enough to take a risk and throw out some of his ideas. Most of the time when he tries to answer a question or give advice,he's really trying to be helpful. If you think his advice is crap, DON'T TAKE IT!
Secondly, Patrick DOES fish. Unlike most of you he doesn't have tons of options as to where he can go. When he talks about 'instinct', if you had read the whole post, you'll see that what he's really referring to is checking out the environment. Something that I saw most of you doing in RI, as well. Usually, if the conditions are poor, you hop in the car and go somewhere else. Patrick doesn't have that option. When I was out there for a week we fished every single day,and the fish just weren't there. It's easy to get frustrated when your only spot is giving you nothing for a while.
Patrick reads books. So what? He didn't have tons of veterans like most of you to hold his hand. He taught himself, through reading and practice. I think he's done a pretty good job at it too.
I think it's shameful and sad to abuse his respect and trust of you to make him look foolish. I know it's not my place to say it and I apologize for that, but I have a real hard time seeing someone I love being made a laughing stock and a punching bag.

As far as him 'deserving it' for his past behavior, how long is long enough? Does he get a 'life sentence' for being a teenager and saying some stupid stuff?

That's all. I mean it this time.;)
mindi

UMMMM....EXCUSE ME HERE...MAY I INTERUPT THIS FOR A SEC. ??

...This topic was my first on here, how it ended up like this confuses the heck out of me..:confused:

..So I'm taking this as...No. 1 reason to not fish= computer wars :mad:


....Pat, your 19 ? ... so what!

..If your experiences have taught you that your "instinct" is dead on, then stick with it, when it starts to fail you, or you read/hear that others are catching way more fishees than you...try some different approaches...
...I found some of the comments made to you...quite HARD myself...( not that having a little fun with someones remarks is bad, but in all fairness...I still found some a bit HARSH...)...I joke alot too...but would never say "anyones" comments or opinions were "Bull-Turd"...( not unless I knew them personally, and they could take it..):D ...

..Now I'm 30 and have fished for over 20 years...how?...daddy started taken me before I was 10....started fishin alone when I hit about 14....used to ride my bike with the pole taped or tied to it, and a tackle bag..shoved somewhere...:eek: ( NOT THERE )...
..Now in all my years fishing, I usually never offer advice unless asked for...even if I see someone doing something that I felt wouldn't catch a fish...WHY? you ask...because I've seen some of the weirdest tactics produce...so how can I say it won't work?...because its not the way I do it?....or the way its been done for years...?? Nope, I WILL NOT DISCOURAGE ....ONLY ENCOURAGE!!...


THIS WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A " LET'S BASH PAT " THREAD!!!

...If I smell garbage in the wind, then I know the garbage truck is comin...maybe Pat can smell fish in the wind...:confused: :D

..smile, Pat...be happy...and don't let these fellas get to ya...in the years to come, you'll come up with your own conclusions...

And then again......."Sometimes Even a Blind Squirrel Finds a Nut!" :D

If I may point out why you did not catch fish every day you fished that week you were with him--try fishing at night ;)

BTW, we did not make him look foolish--he does a good job with out anyone's help.

Having said this, I am mighty impress by your loyalty Mindi :) Kudos to you for that!

Jenty,

Thanks for the smoke trout :) Yummy

hey!
 

we fished at night!!

lol..I'm loyal because I love him...can't help it :D

mindi

Iceman goes by one simple rule, one rule only:

"YOU GOTTA BE IN IT TO WIN IT"

Enough already
 

If the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting a different result then we must all be nuts for trying to counsel Patrick & expecting to see some change...

HI all, Im mental. Im in love with John, aand cheat on my lover Tattoo with slip.Sorry Jenn:p
but if ya want a plug shoot me a pm........
I dont have a lathe, but I made 2 of those blanks....
My bro Tat and slip got lathe and Tattoo goes way the hell out of his way to send me blanks;)
when I get over slips I turn wood.........
or I use a beltsander here but its loud.............
COW HUNTA , I want U babe....... I lost me mike needles, cept fer 1 :(
If I went tonight I would slay them, its sw.......
Yeah I could dig fishin with ya as your a animal..
I did me old comm fishin route and hit up the south beaches 5 or 6.... the past weekend
last night stank o fish and I said castmaster time. bang bang bang bang......
tossed big wood. nothing. the wind was smokin....
the surf was sexy and current was movin.
on the drop. I wish it was on the incoming. due to wind ya could toss it and have it stay out................
Im sick o fishing and could care if I get large.
so shoot me a pm cowhunta if ya comin to mecca, im goin sat night.
Patrick, You calm down dude. I dont know if U are talkin to me but If U cant take a joke, To Bad dude....Other than that I want to roll U in the sand and kiss You........

30 times the mailman was a good year
natural in color they are like no other
you can't use these to rig your eels
when the big one hits you'll love how it feels
open the box and you'll find a goodie
i sure you'll have a big fat woodie

OVER THE HILL I GO, T WAS A GOOD TIME. N WAS GOOD TO ME, 5 TIMES WE DID IT.
SMELL MY GRAIN OF SAND, I grow fish scales on my waiders, in the drink I go. to have tea and crumpets......
Pizza was good today 2 times it was. :D

You are mental

what U followin me here Billy? eeeeeeebud I cant even hide

the PIZZA thing is GREAT!

You make me laugh! :D