I never believed in handing out snow jobs, altho many of my old crew did. I figured I'd get less grief in the long run by not saying anything than by sending people on a wild goose chase. At least I acted that way with the regulars. Pilgrims, well, yeah, I will admit to screwing with them a little :devil2:

Years ago, some of my crew hit some nice fish (35 up to 50) at the opening to Edgartown Pond. The late Clyde the Guide was pushing them hard to get them to tell where those fish came from. They told him Pogue Light on eels :D

Sometimes you could tell people the truth and they wouldn't believe you. I stumbled over a pile of fish from mid-20s to low 40s bucktailing Wasque late at night. I kept one 38# for the table (we had about 15 of us staying at the campground), and even my best friends didn't believe me when I told them it came from Wasque :hihi:

I catch stripers in Waldon pond all the time, doesn't anyone else? :walk:

Nicely said Piemma. Some not so oldtimers can keep it quiet too. Does a fish count if you dont post about it.

No T. you need pictures :hidin: :buds:

you do if your in the plugathon :hihi:

ohhh the thought of 42 custom plugs :buds: :rtfm:

:drool:

Excuse me, 48 :hee:

I'm old school and having said that I will tell everyone ...NEVER believe me when I tell you where I caught the fish...just the way I was taught . :faga: :hee: johnny

I havent had my turn yet :musc:

Sept. 21-Oct. 2 :happy:

Bernzy :ss:

Young bull.... Old bull... :read: :hidin:

OK - this turned into such a good thread (never was really a bad thread, I may grabbed the wrong one :eek5: ) that it's going back upstairs

This thread wsa supposed to be a funny topic because of ebens fish I am glad it turned into something usefull.

I want to be honest without being nailed for it so here goes. I have tried to warm up to people and take them fishing, It always turns out bad, always, they burn spots, take tons of friends and cant keep there mouths shut. Maybe if they showed some respect, they would get some and a little more knowledge. I am very, very, very carefull now who I would take if anyone, I fish with Steve and thats it. I have come to know PIEMMA And I really feel I can trust a guy like that, I would never lie to him, he has fished with some old timers That I have the utmost respect for and, I dont have that for many people. I act like a total Ahole at times and well thats 70% for fun on these boards but make no mistake, I take fishing extremely serious and I have worked very hard and lost thousands or hours of sleep to get where I am at now, I am scared to ever risk it.

A very few people here now where I fish and that scares me! so far no one has burned me and I respect that. I just feel that evey newble I have met is either and instant hero, wants a 50 yesterday, or is basically not willing to listen, but worse than all that all they seem to want is spots nothing else! I hate that, in my opinion thats what I call a "suck" Find your own fish is my attitude now but look, wouldent you feel better if you did it that way?

So overall? I dont care to much for the new guard I have met, there are a couple but not more than that. They have no idea that we who have done this for 20yrs or so have seen it all, guys who go all out and then quit after a few seasons, guys who resent you because you wont take them to your spot etc, I have seen and heard it all!

The whole attitude now is different, I will stick with the old timers, and the steves of the world, they just get it!

Bernzy..... game on! :musc:

i love the oldtimers, learned so much from them. i am also impressed with some of young guns there i have met, true students of our sport. i feel that these guys will carry the torch well!

The old guard ain't lost it, the new guard ain't found it, for the most part, and if they did, that might miss it. :hidin:
Several good points in a lot of the posts here, lot to sift through :read:

I remember in the late seventies/eary eighties driving several miles out on the beach, pull up to a post to drain the kidneys, and out of the dark a fist finds my nose! "WTF ya doin!???!! Ya pissin on my fish!"... Me, I'm like "What Fish?"
This guy had a few buried in the sand near the post, (a common practise with comms, back then)...... he saw me stop and came over as some folks had been stealing the buried fish back then, one noteworthy surfcaster was caught red-handed doing just that and threatened with loss of life if he ever showed up again... me, I just had to relieve myself.. and goofed up... was forgiven, as I wasn't a comm, just a googan.... now, I see guys come and park right on top of folks and set up enough lights to land small aircraft, and start casting right on top of ya... BBJ and I had one earlier this year do that, guy had no sticker to boot, and even told us of that, as he was pumping us for who what where and how many... good thing we had no clue :D
More info now a days for sure, how much of it is BS :huh:... welllll.......

:ss: :walk: :read:
and like BM says... "Write your own reports"
sorry if thats copy protected Dave ;)

ouch...

i did not see no one on the sand last night................

You guys kill me...

I'm 34, raised in Iowa and before a few years ago had never seen a tide chart in my life. I got into surf fishing when I discovered you could catch stripers from shore...had no idea...although I had caught many from boat.

All my gear is new because I've only been at it a few years.

I try to get out 1-2 times per week...and know very few locals who fish the same waters where I live. As such it isn't easy to learn the nuances of the spots or even new techniques.

Granted, I've never known the shore access of old, but it takes only a few seconds to realize how prescious what we have today is, and what a few irresponsible keystokes could do.

People like Piemma, RIRockhound and Eben have shown me a lot, and never asked for anything in return...except for Eben ;)

These issues of burning spots, not respecting locations or people etc...have everything to do with immaturity and a lack of class...and nothing with the new guard of surfcasters...

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go polish my Versace wading belt.

-spence

:claps:

dude, you got a hot wife... whats wrong with a couple of pictures :hihi:

I don't think that you have met right people then. There are a lot of great young anglers out there, and most don't spend time online. You might even learn something... :hee:

When we put on a trash clean up in the spring or fall as many young guys come out as old timers, maybe more. I wouldn't dismiss them. Maybe you're hanging around the wrong shop or the wrong people something, most of the young surfcasters I know have a lot of respect for the old guard and are protective of the future of surfcasting.

I'm sure DZ and many others would back me up on that.

Eben , seriously there is " no game on" its just the way I feel. Hey look, you went to a spot, on your own and nailed a nice fish because you had a hunch, a feeling whatever, you did it on your own and fished with your gut! Thats Fishing!!

I tell people stuff and the reply is always the same "where do you fish though"
That just turns me right off ! The other thing is "how big were your fish last night" What the heck difference does it make? there fish aren't they? you cant pick size!!

I was told "how too" by many of the older guys but I was very rarely shown a spot, they said go find it on your own, it made me a better fisherman. I have met people along the way, mutual friends that know people etc.. and have lucked out on a few spots. I certainly dont feel bad about it, thats life and it happens, places like the breachways, I completly learned to fish on my own with trial and era, many lost jigs and more than a few guys yelling at me for not doing the rotation right! I fished past that toughened up my skin and became the guy doing the yelling :tooth: But hey surf fishing is hard work.

Once the old timers new you had what it takes they loosened up and once they new you were not trying to jump in there honey hole, they began to let you in the "circle" man when that happens it just feels good, you have earned your respect!!! welcome to the world of surf fishing! Things in 2005 are not anything like then however and it never will be again.

Pauls partner Gill who passed away, was one tough guy to crack! It must have took me 5 years before he would even sneeeze in my direction! But once I earned my place, he took me fishing, sponsered me to become a member in his club etc... we fished the cape several times, it was just a good feeling.

As far as fish? yes I am impressed when someone gets a good one, but I have so many 30plus pound fish, I am kind of numb to it, what really makes me take notice of a guy is CONSITANCY , one who has learned to catch on a constant basis a few years of that and you get noticed fast, now you have guys asking you!!

Everything I have ever said or done fish wise I could back up! I dont lie! I have pictures, witnesses, and a host of other things to back up my talk! So you can call me many things but a liar...nope....nota....I have nothing to prove at all, if you have caught it, I have caught it several times over, Show me consistancy, a willingness to find fish on your own, and you have earned my respect! You never want to get a rep as a liar in this game! really bad!!

As far as you Eben! I think your ok in my book, we have certainly had a few moments but I think we know where each other stands.We know where each other is fishing and its great that neither of us is stepping on the others toes, But I feel now that you wont do that and vise versa...your earning the trust!

Steve made a comment yesterday to me he said "did you hear what eban said"? I said what " he said, "If you new the hours and time it took to get this fish" That my friend speaks for itself!!!!!

Tight Lines

Sorry pete, I have fished wit DZ, I dont see him holding the hands of these guys, I have taken him to my spots and he has taken me to his.I like dennis alot, great guy.

I stick with what I said

I'm with Spence.I'm not much older but I have been fishing locally all my life.Surfcasting as most define it here I've only been doing the last few years.

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& please don't take this personally but if you are a rep of the
"old guard" it doesn't sound all that grand.Fishing 7 nights a week from one end of the season to the other.Only trusting one or two people.Actually being "scared to risk it". I don't know you personally so this is only an observation but from what you've posted its sounds like you live a very lonely exsistance.And it sounds like most of the joy many get from fishing just isn't there for you.Again let me state not knowing you personally what I've said is a logical observation.For the most part your post IS very negative.But I
will agree finding and catching fish all on your own is very satisfying.

For me personally life's too short to be totally consumed by one thing.
There's women to be had or one woman many times if you're married or have a G/F as I do.There's places to go and things to see(a nascar race for example).

To be lumped into a group called the "new guard" doesn't bother me.

That's my .02.I hope none here take offense to it.

This is the way I see it. I never ever mind sharing my spots with a couple of people I can trust(as far as I can judge) and if I can hook a rookie, youngster, newbie, call it what you want, I think protects our future in striper fishing. Think about it, if you went fishing a lot over a number of years and caught nothing because you didn't know what you were doing, would you continue? If on the other hand you went out early in your fishing life and caught some really decent fish because somebody showed where and how and now your hooked on fishing for the rest of your life and now you shared this art with other upcoming fisherpersons, wouldn't that help our sport by continued efficient management and preservation/concern for our sport? Yes I agree, a lot of leg work and detective work is in order for our sport and I have indured/wasted/enjoyed and learned the hard way over the years always yearning for someone to show me how. So now that I'm somewhat wiser in my fishing endevors I jump at the chance to turn someone special on to this great sport with the understanding that they be discreet about whom they blab to. We owe it to the future generations of striper fishing to keep it going long after we're gone.

No offense taken, your right its a loney existance. Next to my wife and daughter its all I think about, all I want to do, what everything else revolves around! So Thanks for the compliment.

Sorry if the post is negative , however I have just been used and burned to many times by "inocent newbies" Surf fishing is done at night, its solitary, its dark, its you and the fish! Its not happy hour at hooters, fishing with an entorage.

By the way pete, and I mean no disrespect here but, lest see, you work at a baitshop or own it I dont know...Of course those are the only comments you can make! these people are all customers!!


An being "online" means nothing I am online because I have nothing better to do all day and it passes time, its nice to be retired :p :p

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Bill, we gotta fish together one night, we think too much alike.. :devil2:

:buds:

LOL :hidin:

Got room for another slob? :tm:

Got blindfold????? :doh:

That bad? :hidin:

If you look like your avitar...You're in! :hee:

If I was my avatar I'd been in by now. I did find a beach last weekend with a couple feeemale nudied sunbathing. :biglaugh:

Kinda suuked, had my GF's 14 yr old nephew with me fishing the surf

Lets fish there..... :point:

I'll trade ya a spot, better yet I'll take you there. Somewheres in cape cod bay :hee:

I don't do trades........... :doh:
I want your avitar.....for a plug of course... :exp: