smell the coffee ahem. why wasn't the governor of LA decisive enough to issue an evacation order sooner? why wasn't federal aid requested sooner?

Eben you are despicable. I have completely lost respect for you.

yep, pehaps you can spin it to sound strange, but also you could remember that he is broacasting around the world as well as in this country. Last I checked that area was part of this world and still is.

Can you guys chill out on the name calling!

Mobil and Exxon should add 3 zeros to their pledge :yak:

The entire world knew about this hurricane for WEEKS before it ever hit landfall in the USA. There should have been emergency proccedures in place WELL BEFORE it ever made landfall. Are you seriously going blame the Governor of LA for not issuing an evacuation order sooner? If he issued an evacuation order sooner, how were the poor people -- who could not afford the ticket out of town -- going to leave???? Magic???

No, it was NOT Bush's fault that efforts to help these people took way too long....does that make you feel better? But, of course, he is the man who gets the credit when things go well, so as the "boss" he needs to take the blame when things get f****d up in his administration as well.

Bush himself, has admitted that the federal government is screwing this up....and BTW, in case you hadn't realized this, he is the CEO of the Federal Government..........so ultimatly he is responsible for it's actions. It goes with the job.

Do any of you think that your opinion counts? If calling each other names and ripping the current, past or future administration is your way of getting your kicks, then you guys don't fish enough.

Agreed.

Sorry to hear you don't think your opinion counts for much. I, for one, value your opinions.....

I still believe mine counts on election day. I don't vote in Florida. :rotfl:
Just trying to lighten things up a bit, we've all been through an emotional meat grinder this week. Thank God we're here and not there.

Listen, I am merely trying to defuse this rhetoric that is getting to the point where it is a pi$$ing contest. I fought and bled in Vietnam so you could voice your opinion. I'm just trying to lighten the mood and keep it civil

Same page Jake, thanks.

In that case, I yield. I have tremendous respect for our veterans, and might I say to you sir, "Thank you for the freedom and safety my family now enjoys".

Acknowledged and accepted. let's just fish.

Ditto, Thanks Piemma

slipnot
 

you're quite right...and good point.

hey i am just calling it the way i see it. correct me if i am wrong but you have come up with some beautiful names for russians- "stinkies", arabs- towel heads, sheetheads, etc..perhaps you are more predijuse than our president... why do you own all those guns? what are you scared of?????
i stand by what i said, the aid was not there because 1/3rd of new orleans is on welfare... the levees were never re-built because 1/3rd of new orleans is on welfare.. it is a poor city. I agree, why didnt the govenor call for evacuations sooner, but the people who stayed probably didnt have the means to evacuate. i am sure you are telling all your clients to buy oil stocks, thus profiting on this disaster...

You know what is despicable weewee, the fact that the militarry couldnt have flown over the superdome and parrachuted in some food or water.. it would have taken a half day to do it. why didnt it happen?????? those people had no food for 3 days.

you have lost respect for me??? why because i pay attention to the flaws of or leaders and complain about them. i have every right to point out the enomously obvious biases of the bush administration. 80% of the american population is totally numb to what is really going on and for that we deserve a horrible tyrant leader who is doing all he best to make sure the rich are doing swell as the poor and middle class can barely survive each day....

Sorry WeeWee.....but I totally agree with Nebe on this one......

Amen to that... :rtfm:

-spence

the timing
 

of Katrina............................
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nebe quote:
1/3rd of new orleans is on welfare.. it is a poor city. I agree, why didnt the govenor call for evacuations sooner, but the people who stayed probably didnt have the means to evacuate.
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it was said on the news that Katrina hit just before that 1/3 rd of the population (who were ordered to evacuate) was just about to recieve their welfare checks...and because they hadnt recieved them, couldnt leave.

Do not forget there are victims in missisippi

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/12555987.htm

Please reply to the topic or the opinions expressed. Any more chest pounding and personal attacks and all you thoughts and typing will be flushed in a matter of seconds with just a click of the mouse.

Thank you for behaving like adults. :(

It's been at least 30 years that I've heard experts predict this disaster in N'orlins. It went exactly by the "book", as predicted. Levee failure, the entire city flooded. There should have been a mass evacuation plan in place, and it should have been implemented on Sunday. The mayor ordered an evacuation, but there was no plan to evacuate those who were without the means--no car, no gas for the car, nowhere to go, whatever.

Gov. Blanco is in way over her head. You declare the state of emergency and deploy the Guard to key staging areas ahead of the storm. There's a big difference between what the Guard is allowed to do when a governor declares a state of emergency and what the regular military can do. Other than the Coast Guard, the regular military has no teeth to back it up when they are deployed domestically--they have no law enforcement or peace officer status--they are, in fact, civilians in that sense. I'm sure the Guard had snorkel equipped trucks that could have accessed many areas that were innundated. Cripes, MSNBC and CNN got reporters to the Superdome and the convention center--you mean to tell me the freakin' Guard couldn't have got down there and enforced order? In the Watts riots of the 60s, the Guard in L.A. had "shoot to kill" orders for looters, let alone people who were shooting at them.

That being said, Bush and the Feds didn't do themselves proud. We have a Homeland Security chief who's had a deer in the headlights look on his face for over a week now. After Camille in 1969 (which while as powerful as Katrina was a much smaller storm in area), Nixon deployed the entire 3rd Infantry to the Mississippi coast to aid in the relief effort. Bush didn't even cut his vacation short and return to DC until 2 days after the storm hit.

"No one thought it would be that bad"??? Bullcrap. We've known for as long as I've been alive what would happen if NO took a Cat 4 or 5 head on.

secretly
 

i believe that world wide and here in America there has to be some form of population control other than voluntary .
It's never really talked about...

but in reality ....we are ALL on a need to know basis... not wanting a society that is in a full state of PANIC which is - feared (controlled) the most by government.

so when natural disasters strike it's a necessary evil you could say, to allow
a certain number of citizens to expire for the good of the rest and or the planet.

the government has many worst case scenario's in place were there to be a
major attack ...a cataclysmic EVENT such as a meteor strike or mega volcanic blast that launches us into a nuclear winter or permanent darkened sky....
there will only be a small segment of the population that will be manageable...or survive....
in a underground city - living off of stored provisions until it's safe again
if ever.

Interesting thread....

I try to stay out of the political topics on this board, they get pretty hot sometimes and I would rather not draw fire if I can help it. But....


I voted for Bush twice and I have to say, I am not proud of it. Not just based on this event, or Iraq, but the cumulative effect of his Presidency. I supported him when friends and family would criticize his speech, dim wittedness, whatever.....but I can't do that anymore.

The working stiffs, like most of us, are working harder and harder and we bring home less and less. I am dismayed at where our country is heaing right now, really really dimayed about it. I don't see good days ahead for America. It is sad, I used to be optomistic about most things; I can't do that anymore.

My blood boiled when I heard President Bush, after being briefed by the various disaster relief organizations on his trip south, say (I'm loosely quoting this) "Senator Lott lost his home, but it will be rebuilt and it wil be beautiful, lookin' forward to sittin on his deck,too"

Reminded me of his father, when he first learned about checkout scanners at grocery stores.... these damn politicians don't know what work is or what is means to live in the real world today.... anyways, it's a sorry sorry state of affairs. :doh:

Am I wrong here????

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans! :kewl:

-spence

I couldn't have said it better myself, Spence....perhaps we are not really that far apart after all..... :kewl:

I never thought we were, you just keep taking the longer road for some reason ;)

-spence

i owe you 2 dannies for that one :D

When I was mentioning revolution in another thread (started by Flaptail I think) this is exactly what I'm talking about. :kewl:

blah, blah, blah blah blah bah blah blah

"blah humbug"- ebenezer

While I may not agree with Piemma at times, I believe it is "Mr. Ebenezer" to you Eben....after all, if my memory serves me correct, Mr. Piemma is a veteran.......see, I don't forget.

:think:

Piemma just thinks I've been a tad bombastic of late :rocketem:

-spence

no you're not wrong. i'm in the same boat as you.

piemma and i fish together...we talk on the phone often, and most importatly, we bust each other's balls.. well mostly we discuss spence's fishing woes :hihi:
anyway, i have the greatest respect for him. :D

Well, I suppose that's better then other things you guys could be doing with each other's balls.....oh John, please don't spank me too hard for that one.......... :bgi:

Let's first put a jack-booted heel to the term "neo-con." It's a childish attempt to equate traditional conservitaves to the "neo-nazi" movement in europe. Secondly.. please take off your blinders... the trend in this country is to more toward traditional values.. call them conservative if you will, but the majority of the people in this country have voted in an honest president, a republican controled sentate and a republican controled house. There will soon be 2 possibly 3 more "conservative" justices on the supreme court.

I think you'd better put your finger back up in the wind.. maybe lick the other side of it.

As far as the problems in New Orleans... it is a true tradgedy. Please don't try to politicize it.

If there is any blame to assess, it lies directly on the city of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana.

For some reason I've read all these political threads -- there's so much to say, so I'll keep it very, very, very brief:

Liberals make me ... :

:wall: :realmad: :crying: :laugha: :sick: :huh: :conf: :wall:

All at the same time.

:laugha: :laugha:

Everyone lighten up and laugh.

Q: What do you call a basement full of Liberals?
A: A whine cellar.

Q: What is the Democrat doing when he holds his hands tightly over his ears?
A: Trying to hold on to a thought.


Headlines from the year 2029 after many Democratic Presidents

Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest
country in the world, Mexifornia formally known as California. White
minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third
language.

Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock.

Baby conceived naturally . . . scientists stumped.

Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.

Iraq still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more
years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.

France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica.

Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.

Capitol Hill intern indicted for refusing to have sex with congressman.

IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent.

honest???? thanks i needed a laugh tonight :D

fishweewee rules.. :bgi:

*smile* me too..

score board... hahaha

In reply to what I just finished reading, as I just read this thread for the first time. After 9/11 I thought the government was supposed to prepared for any dissaster. Where did all are tax dollars go?