Z's artical was the best one in this issue , I read it and threw the magazine away , it's so thin without the "Insiders" and I don't care about boat stuff...Hopefully they'll do another "wood" issue :drool: , That's what I like the most, and I don't think i'm alone on that.

Cudo's to the OTW staff on Troublemaker Lures...

I enjoyed seeing Steve Fransescon's Surfster writeup.

It is nice to see someone get the recognition that he deserves in pursuit of his passion in building one of the finest quality and best producing wooden lures out there on the market today...

IMO, Fransescon will go down as one of the legendary plug builders of his day.

Wonder all you want but read this the right way which you haven't. I had a feeling they would, they didn't, they don't have to I thought they should have addressed it somehow but playing the Devil's advocate, they don't have to and that's the point I am trying to make. OTW isn't a club or an organization it's a business. In the first paragraph of my original post I tried to explain that to you all IMHO. Was it that hard to see that? I would have put something in but I don't run the mag and as far as they are concerned they don't owe anybody anything and that's what I stated. I tried to convey this from there point of view in the last post. Sell you down the river Karl? That I don't understand. What, in your opinion should a magazine publish for articles? Of course the object of having the magazine is to make money. Would you go through all the effort not to. It's a business for Christ sake. Peoples livelihoods depend on it's sales. It's not my business or yours nor do you have, or I have any say in it. They say it's your magazine but that doesn't mean it litterally is, it covers your fishing that's all. I apologize for the grow up stuff but man all this internet chatter is like a bunch of teenage girls at lunch. More people have learned of this from these sites than the mag article itself. I would have addressed it but the cold hard facts are that they don't have to and I am not part of the management just a sorry assed writer who rues the day he ever started and wishes to God the internet was never invented. This is my last post. I cannot take the crap anymore. I think OTW is a great publication, one that is sorely needed in the Northeast. SWS is coming back around as well and that's a good thing too. You are all a bunch of good guys/gals but this is too stressful for me. Dammed if you do dammed if you don't. See you round some time, maybe.

No agenda Zeno, just my first response to Nebes post. I did not read it 5 times, just once quickly. If everyone on the net checked their facts before posting the net would be void of any content. What you are writing worked for most, just did not do it for me. Everyone views things with bias and opinions, I am a cynical bastard and view most things like that. I clued into the needle items and may have missed your point.
No hard feelings, just my opinion.

Heres a little story for ya, besides fishing my passion is jazz. I have been playing for over 25 years, one day I was was working on a complicated jazz melody, I literally spent 5 hours playing a 2 second piece over and over. When I finally had it down, I asked my wife to listen, she did and looked at me and nodded. When she walked away I absent mindedly strummed a few chords , basic beginner guitar stuff. She turns around and says "Now that sounds good!" I wanted to puke.
The moral is, some people get it, some dont, dont worry about it.

Why is everyone so grumpy??? :huh: :gf:

I can't stand you Nebe.....
Too bad Flap quit - I was just starting to like him.
Zeno - I just read your story. Not bad at all - nice pix too.

I thought Zeno's article was an all around great summary of fishing MTK - and even "rock-fishing" in general. If I ever go to MTK I'll read it again.

Another reason I disagree about tossing (or torching in Eben's case :hee: :hee: ) old magazines. You never know when you may want to reference an old article. Like keeping an archive of fishing info...

Foodcat loves me :cool:

I read the article this morning and got alot out of it I liked the smile on the guys face as he puts away a 30 pounder. who wants to go this weekend?
I also liked the warning about getting mugged for your spot.

It was a great article but I don't think I would enjoy being mugged like that. I bet BM would love fishing in close quarters with the New Yawkers.. :love:

I liked it
 

I liked the Montauk article and since I'm planning a trip there next month it may help a little. But I'm not skishing. :poke:
There were two spots in that issue that they "burnt" although if you hav'nt heard of Montauk and the Salmon River i'm not sure you are a fisherman. At neither of those spots are parking or access a problem. Mugging, I think is how a lot of fishing is in NY/NJ. It usually is cause there are fish there, but that does'nt mean they are all fishermen. I remember on the Salmon River walking up thru a run and one guy telling me there were no fish in the river, 5 feet in front of him there was a 25 pound king, he could'nt see it. Cast in unison now boys. :fishslap:

I kinda thought the editorial did speak to the surfcasters concerns when they said that 83% of there subscribers have a boat or have access to one, in other words this is how much we care about you. I also looked thru the adds to see how many are related to surfcasting, umm...maybe smackit lures.
I often wonder how much of a market there is for a pure shore fishing mag, I do not see much advertising support available for one.

This is one sport that would be better off without the media, the mags or the TV shows.
Let the weekenders enjoy theirs and the diehards keep theirs.
Anyone can invest as much of themselves as they want into surfcasting, and reap the rewards of their work. Part of it is finding the spots, who's getting what where, migration, tackle shops, sharpies, etc...
Or beach chairs, beers, kids, umbrellas, bonfires... whatever you want it to be, you can make of it.

:claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps:

I consider myself a surfcaster even though I don't get out as much as I would like. I am involved in what I consider a great surfcasting club and spend too much time looking on this site when I am supposed be working. What I am looking for in articles in OTW or other publications is to get the feeling of anticipation that I get when I close my car door and start walking in my waders to the surf. I am looking to get " horsed up " for fishing as Joe Lyons stated above. Flaptail's articles do it. I fish from the surf because I feel a sense of excitement and that I am doing something that makes me feel good inside when I am doing it, not because I have to catch. I like to read something or hear a guy talk that has enthusiasm for the sport- to feel that we share a common bond. I think it is amazing to talk to a guy that has been fishing 100 nights for 30 years and he still has the juice for it. Zeno's article was good for me because I grew up on Long Island and when I was 14, my father booked a charter boat for stripers out of Montauk. It was 1968. A noreaster blew out the trip and my father took me down to the Montauk lighthouse to show me the surf and why the boats could not get out of the inlet. Articles do not have to be literary workd of art or the Old Man and the Sea, but if they give me some sense of the bond we share and the wonder of the caster at the edge of the unknowable sea- then I am into it.

PS: Flaptail please come back.

I appreciate the opinions of all ,thank you.It is refreshing to actually get a spoken feedback instead of finding flat tires on occasion :uhoh:
Just busting.No ,it wont win a Pulitzer prize ,heck ,my elementary teacher would probably flunk it (then again she only speaks Croatian) but that's not the point.
Here is the point of writing ,at least for me :
Never mind the s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up part.Something I wrote has actually made someone reconsider their strategy or expand their horizons.Isn't that what writing is all about ,in print and on the net? Helping each other without putting them onto the rock itself ?It is for me.Lord knows I spend more in ink to edit my mistake than they pay me to write :uhoh:
Cause when you think about ,you can use the knowledge and technique you learn by reading at your favorite hole.
No need for you to come over to mine ;)

BTW
If i can figure out how to post a picture i would show you some real Montauk "mugging" :laughs:
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...id=12154&stc=1

AHHHHHHHH a picture is worth a 1000 words, Been there , Seen it , No THANKS. They even cast over you...............

I don't think you could pay me to fish in that crowded mess... :wall:

My issue finally showed. Good article Zeno, informative and thorough for those of us who have never been, and thanks for posting that last photo, the pics in the article already had me thinking that Montauk was too crowded for me, the last photo convinced me.

3 or 4 high on the wall ! I go south

I hear they will even run over your rods in the parking lot :bounce: :rotf3:

So is it like this at night to?

WOW!! :eek: Thanks for that photo!! I don't see a trip to M in my future... :err: Mugged for sure , NO thanks. johnny

Lots of room in M if you are willing to walk the south side and\or fish nights, especially weeknights

Montauk and OTW
 

Zeno, I'm most of the way through your article, my legs went numb so I figure I'll finish reading it during my next visit to the bathroom. So far, I appreciate the read and thinks it's well written (for a construction worker) :tooth: . Now, keep in mind, i've never been to Montauk, and after seeing that crowd of fisherman in that picture, I'll probably keep my distance. I want to know what kind of fine-looking female was around to draw such a crowd.

As far as the spot-burning article goes, my wife threw away last month's OTW, so I lost my X marks the spot fishing maps. I'm upset, b/c I've only fished Rhody a couple times and was clueless. That map would have really helped! Oh well, I have enough to learn about fishing the cape as it is, i'll save Rhody for another year. Slippery rocks on the canal and a little sand in Mass is all I can handle right now.

Anyway, back to ..... :lurk:

I just booked my ferry ride back and forth, next motel

In 6 years I have never had to pre book friday or sunday pm

Well seeing it is a two plus hour drive to New London I like to pre book, Map Quest said 5 1/2 hours for me to get there, is 2 hours on the ferry right?

hour 20 minutes $42.00 1 way
2 shelter island ferries 20.00 total 1 way

about 1.5 hours to M from ferry. Watch out for deer!

Watch out for deer in M!!! I counted 20 in 3 miles once.

Also ticks abound in M brush

Walk the south side for the best of M but not necessarily the best fishing

Cool thanks

New London to Orient Point via the Cross Sound Ferry is about 1hr & 20 minutes. Orient Point to Green Port for the Shelter Island Ferries is about 20 minutes. From There it's about another hour to Montauk.The Shelter Island Ferries (north & south) do not save you any time. It's an hour if you drive around Peconic Bay.

Looks like the herring run on the canal in the spring :hihi:

There's no amount of money I could be paid to fish like that.

Ok a couple mil might do it!

montauk crowds
 

Those types are of crowds are fairly rare, especially this time of year. Since Jack yee stopped his free reports on the noreast website hopefully we wont see them too often anymore. There was no big anchovy run in September, when the weather is nice, that tend to produce those types of crowds. I enjoy googan watching during those times.
Nights are never that crowded, and there are always spots you walk to and be all alone.

montauk
 

I finally read the article after just receiving my magazine. I think Z did a very nice job with it. A lot of good info on the surface and between the lines without being overspecific about spot details. Books could be written without covering everything.
Montauk is such a big area to fish and each area has it's nuances that take years and years to learn. Don't expect to score big on your initial trips there. Enjoy the beauty of the place, take a nice walk around and scout out some productive areas and stop in Freddies bait and tackle in town. Vinny, the owner is a great guy and he will straighten you out.
There are also many different groups that interact; locals, regulars, wetsuiters, googans, tourists, daytrippers, clubs and now it seems a Jersey invasion. Each scratching for there share of those striped ghosts.
Although I don't approve of some of the guides methods, this can be a short cut to gaining access to and productive techniques to catching fish.
It's a different place to fish. If you go and take the time to watch the sharpies you will probably learn something you can apply back home.