FYI they make huge tubes like the ones they use for tunas on marlin boats, they call them striper tubes and are used in the hybrid tourneys. The fish goes in nose down, and water is pumped up through the mouth and gills keeping the fish alive.

If Walmart is such a great company to it's employees, why did the feds bust them for forcing their employees to work unpaid ot, work through breaks and lunches without paying them for it. For every good Walmart employee story there are hundreds of negative ones. Unfortunately Walmart fills a giant void in this country, cheasp things for people with little to no money.

I read an article about the "striper tube".Apparently its quite effective.

I really hope that if this tourney gets off the ground that they do it just like freshwater bass tourneys, NO LIVE BAIT. If the eels are really in danger then the publicity they get on TV as being striper crack would really put a hurting on them and the price would bo thru the roof. There is nostalga and history behind the vinyard and otehr local tourneys, they are local and draw a somewhat local croud and pump a ton of cash into the local economies. I must admit that i shop walmart, its not my favorite place to shop for countless reasons but the prices are hard to beat. Damn near anywhere in the country if someone needs anyhting the go to walmart, they suceeded in programing our minds, those bastards...

It's definitely a fascinating business model, especially if you're in the retail industry. When I say it's genius, I really believe that. Hell, I'd probably do the same thing if I had the leverage. Bring lower prices to my customers while protecting my margins? Sounds great to me. But it is dangerous and you word it very well though when you said "So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy?" That is exactly what I feel it is. The numbers SHOW that it is. And I think it will change the US economy for years to come, and I have to doubt it will be for the better. Innovation within our country and increased minimum wages in upcoming nations will probably be the only thing that slows it down. If it doesn't I almost feel it will be the beginning of the end for the US as a superpower if we're not already on the downslope. All countries and empires before us have risen and fallen. No reason to think we won't do the same....

Greed is good
 

http://www.digitalwav.net/download.a...=WSGreed%2Ewav

I think "greed" or "capitalism" as it is known helps keep prices down and creates new markets. I love it. If you want to particapate buy some shares of wallMart or HomeDepot Sure I support my local tackle shops but I don't see our local shops putting together a 500K bass tourney. Why should the FW guys get all the glory?

Also, while I despise shopping at Wallmart, I don't think they intent to make a ton of cash off the striper fishermen.

A 500K tourney in the Northeast...I think it is a good idea and pretty harmless. I may even try and talk FISHON and his Hydra-Sport into signing up! (with me as a "priority" fisherman....:bl: )

What erks me is that some of you have a problem with a rec contest but no problem with comm fishing for bass? Doesn't that sound a little hypocritical to you? Where is the love?

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good.

Greed is right.

Greed works.

Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.

And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.



Thank you very much.


-G. Gecco (1987)

New Guys?
 

Out of the woodwork :pop:



:eyes:

I love that quote. For the most part...

For those who haven't done so, punch "striper tube" into Google. Plenty of interesting reading and info regarding striper tournaments. I never knew stripers couldn't pump water over their gills like a largemouth can until now. Seems there's a fairly big freshwater striper tournment scene out there too.

Yes your prob right...But Chicago still gets squat for tax money. Walmart stuck it to them wich is kinda funny

I don,t GAF who runs a tournament / but when it comes to money //never mind big money ============It will without doubt draw the biggest cheaters in the business // been there / seen it . F #$%^&*( unreal =what people will do for the glory & the money

I will never ever fish a tournament again nor will I join any club / I did recently join rissa /but will not fish ==I did it because I feel they do some good things for kids & Once a month I see some good friends >><><<

I could easliy write a book with the info I have on what has gone on in tournaments in the past & one that is still presant ////

BUT the glory ,greedy ,almighty fish mobster would probably have me erased /before it ever got published .....:call: :eyes:

I hear from a reliable source we are talking $2500 entry fees and other professional requirements to enter. This could be what ASA was supposed to be until Jack Holmes abandoned the tournament and ignored his successful model from the SKA. I also heard it will be NO LIVE BAIT and possibly no trolling either. We will see as info comes out.

Will it be a good thing or a bad thing??? It will probably not have any impact on the amount of mortality at all. It will put more of a focus on the fishery, driving revenues for the industry, and that would have to be a good thing. We have lost six or sevent locals around the Boston/South Shoire Area in three years. I know that two others are in trouble. The Internet sales do more to damage the locals thqan WalMart willever do, though I am niot afan of Wal Mart either.

Some more info here.

http://www.fishnsba.com/

What Clammer said...they better have a polygraph ready - they'll have guys who work on the day boats culling their by-catch for large to enter in the tourney.

TV cameras
 

I hope they'll honor my request to be filmed from the left side, I take a much better shot from my left side.:wave:

Yeah Yeah Yeah, history repeats itself blah blah blah. This from the guy who has high prices and no show specials, jeez. Stick to fishin topics, leave the business and history out of it.

Not to mention, Wal-Mart and Home Depot have put more HARDER working Mom and Pop stores out of business than probably any other pair of corps in history. You must remember one thing there is NO little guy anymore. It's only the big guys and it's not making for a well balanced economy. I try not to give them business, although I do give them some. As for these companies giving "hard working" people jobs. Ever try to get help or (gasp!) sound advice in one of these places? I know there are some people in there that know their $#!+ but not many. As for the tournament.... I don;t think we have to worry about spot closures but it could get ugly from a mortality standpoint... and if I owned a boat and was going to enter this thing. I'd think twice simply because of the attention... you'd get followed everytime out.... ok I'm done. :zup:

-Dave

Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. You're welcome to compare prices if you want, and maybe you should if you really feel we have high prices. If you're going to claim high prices back it up. No need for the attitude... :confused: You're welcome to take it to PM if you want to discuss it further if it's something personal.

Peter Graeber

I think that the cameras will help cut down on potential cheating. Possibly being outed on national TV will slow down most people.

Really?

I found all kinds of goodies at the show.No "specials" but what a selection of plugs.No more than you would pay anywhere else.

My understanding of this show is that it's a fundraiser.You shoulda bought some raffle tickets.You coulda won a custom Habs rod,an incredible yak or one of many Aquaskinz bags among other things.

I don't get it.You're just joking right and you forgot the smiley?Otherwise all you're doing is pissing on someone else's parade.

All I can say is fine show Pete.

That's my point in reflection to the Romans. It appears at least to me we are on the downslope of the greatness of America as an economic, super, military, humanitary power and accelerating.

Just to be clear so there's no confusion, the Conservation Raffle proceeds are 100% donated to whatever the cause or club is that given year. Raffle prizes are a combination of items we choose from the store as well as items donated by companies such as Aquaskinz and Habs Custom Plugs.

The shop is there selling things separately; hopefully covering the cost of the ballrooms at the hotel, LCD projectors, and the UHaul truck it took to get everything there, etc.

I completely agree, unfortunately.

That I knew Pete.

I was just wondering why Squiddler has a problem with your shop prices.I find them no higher than anyone else's. And like I said the selection was incredible.You have the best plug selection of any shop within driving distance of my place and the prices are right.Can't ask for more than that.

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Pete,
I think you did a great job with the show. Sqiddler must have overlooked the 50% off table. There were definelty some specials in there!!!

Why dont you guys move to an Arab country, for christ sakes. My brother is in Iraq right now, and for the protection of all your skinny white backsides. THis is the greatest country in the world, and will be for a long time. Its the whiners like you guys that drag the humanitarian side down, and in terms of economics, this country could buy the world ten times over. Walmart is part of this system of capitalism, which is part of the whole that lets us priveleged few chat on our expensive computers and buy our 300 dollar reels and 20 dollar plugs, etc. etc. etc.

Thats enough on the off topic subject of the decline of the western civilation and the correlation to the roman empire. Lets call a spade a spade here. You had retail prices at the show and you claim its to cover overhead, blah blah blah blah blah. You were makin money, plain and simple, and gettin a whole pile o advertising to boot. The fact that you admit the sales were seperate shows that your retail booth had nuthin to do with charity, plain and simple.

Again, stick to the topic of fishin and leave yer dime store politics/history lessons out of it.

Piss Piss Pisss, and no smiley face. You guys make me sick

And btw, i give plenty to charity, but the ones i choose. I still think if someone comes and takes the time to go to the show, that there should be some show pricing, plain and simple. Im on a budget, and its tax season, and i wont use this stuff for another 2 months. That is why I buy some of my plugs at Walmart or online, cuz its an expensive sport, plain and simple.

Piss piss piss, and more piss

Its not personal. Your prices are on the high end, and I have compared pricing. I did not buy anything from your booth, nor do i plan on it. The guy, I dont know how it was, at your booth was brusque with me and my friend when we inquired about show specials, to the point it left a bad taste in my mouth. There are plenty o reasons why you feel the need to defend yerself i guess.

The other thing I find innappropriate is the constant referrals to your business, whether your a sponsor or not. This is an interactive website, and you do everything you can to get your business into the fracass, as far as im concerned. Im just stating an opinion, not fact here, and opinions are like ***holes, everyones got em.

Why you so defensive? I was taking odds at your trashing of walmart while identifying yourself as a business concern.

And the baitshop you just moved next to has the same needlefish plugs(striker) for 2.00 less. theres yer backup. I'm sure you didnt think twice as to your location next to him, did you?

A friend of mine is dead and my cousin's husband nearly lost his arm in Iraq, so I certainly understand what having people you care about overseas is all about. Do you really believe we're un-American if we're worried about the well being of our country?

Now, the Conservation Raffle. The SWE booth sits entirely separate from the raffle area. Raffle proceeds goes to whatever cause they go to that year, and normal SWE sales are normal SWE sales. I don't know how to say that more clearly or why you think it operates otherwise. I would think it would be fairly obvious. I'm not "admitting" anything as you put it. It just is what it is.

To be honest, at this point your post is libel.

Peter Graeber

You are free NOT to come.

All right Pete, maybe my panties are in a bunch, and it had alot to do with your rep at the show.

But libel, cmon dude, settle down.

If it helps, I retract my comments in regards to your shop, and apologize openly for my anger.


Maybe you should be on this site as an end user instead of your obvious conflict of interest with your business.

You opened the door, I barged in.

If you notice, I clearly state that my opinions are just that, opinions. So libel is not even a close call here.

You asked for backup, I gave it to you, you are still whinin dude, still whinin, and im still pissin.

All I Have To Say
 

Is wow Squiddler :skulz:

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY< SANDMAN.

Lets get back on topic and stop gining Pete more reasons to discuss economics

Thank you, shows daily at 9 and 11, free admittance for whiners.......:musc:

OK Squiddler..
first off lay off the caffine at this time of night....
Second, I have zero (0) affiliation with Pete and the SWE, we're in the same fishing club, thats about it.
I dont think he should or have to seperate himself out as an 'end user'
In my OPINION, having people in the industry, like Pete, MikeCC etc.. is a huge asset of this site. We get the skinny new gear, and good reviews.. I fish 100+ nights a season, and in no way do I or can I see/review gear than people in shops who get people in daily to get repairs and buy gear... the fact that Mike or Pete or others has input as to what holds up/works and what doesnt is huge.
I was out of town this weekend, didnt make it to the fair, but if I remember from last year, it was free to get into, free for seminars, the raffle was optional, and you didnt have to buy jack diddily %$%$%$%$ if you didnt want to. There were numerous high profile fisherman there and you could have picked their brains for free. I think you need to chill out a bit dude...

That's right RIR that show was 100% free.Free parking,free admission and free advice from guys like Iron Mike,Pt.Jude Joe,#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&,Steve McKenna,DZ,Habs etc.

What a ripoff:rolleyes:

Like I said, ITS MY OPINION.

I again apologize to Pete if I offended, but I was and am pissed off.

Why is it okay for guys to trash Walmart but not me to trash somone or something???????

I took offense to the trashing of America, or its decline, or whatever the point of the correlation to the Roman Empire was.

This will be my last post on this matter, your all welcome in advance.

Again, open apology to SWE and Pete.


IMHO your sticking your noses in to this pissin contest. And I still think your a bunch o whiners.

My only big hang up Squiddler was the way you spoke of the Conservation Raffle. As I said, it's a pretty serious accusation.

Again I apologize for your interaction with one of the guys. We're a pretty social bunch for the most part. :buds:

And I'm done with the economics discussion. At least in this thread. :tooth: I'll try and keep it in the Scuppers in the future. I know I have a tendency to hijack threads. There's several people I seriously argue and debate with in some threads but we do hang out, talk fishing, and have fun together regardless. I like to debate stuff, it's just my nature.