Solving the problems of the worlds is exhausting , isn't it? It is stimulating banter, and we do get to know one another better through it. And I, for one, DO respect everyone here's opinion. They're all valid and that's what makes this so frustrating.

specialist- exxon mobil's profits were a result of record oil prices. Prices went up due to global conflits. Any time there is a war, prices go up. Of course supply and demand are players as well, but the iraq conflict played a huge roll in elevated prices.

Iraq's link to al queda is hardly a link at all. Take a look at how many of the hijackers came from saudi arabia.. why didnt we invade them and take over thier country?? Explain to me how Iraq aided the 9-11 hijackers please.

Here is a link if you read the information, you will see that even the Clinton administration was saying there was a link between the 2

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp

Read and judge for yourself...

Now if you can show me some evidence that Exxon is currently profiting directly from oil coming out of Iraq, then I will believe it.

Ok here is your intial statement, that we went in there for the oil, and Exxon is profiting from it.

To me this statement reads the American gov., or Exxon is running the Oil fields, and directly profiting from it. This is a big difference from the instability in a volitile Oil market

The Weekly Standard isn't exactly the most objective source you could have quoted!

This argument is pretty simple, show me a US Government report done after the Administrations snow job that indicates there's a link.

You won't find any. The tens of millions of US taxpayer dollars spent researching the isse have come up with NOTHING.

-spence

Ok how about the Washington times:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2921-3401r.htm

how about this one:

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccart...0506290912.asp

some bullets from it:

The Clinton Justice Department's allegation in a 1998 indictment (two months before the embassy bombings) against bin Laden, to wit: In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.


Seized Iraq Intelligence Service records indicating that Saddam's henchmen regarded bin Laden as an asset as early as 1992?


Saddam's hosting of al Qaeda No. 2, Ayman Zawahiri beginning in the early 1990’s, and reports of a large payment of money to Zawahiri in 1998?

The continued insistence of high-ranking Clinton administration officials to the 9/11 Commission that the 1998 retaliatory strikes (after the embassy bombings) against a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory were justified because the factory was a chemical weapons hub tied to Iraq and bin Laden?

Top Clinton administration counterterrorism official Richard Clarke’s assertions, based on intelligence reports in 1999, that Saddam had offered bin Laden asylum after the embassy bombings, and Clarke’s memo to then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, advising him not to fly U-2 missions against bin Laden in Afghanistan because he might be tipped off by Pakistani Intelligence, and “[a]rmed with that knowledge, old wily Usama will likely boogie to Baghdad”? (See 9/11 Commission Final Report, p. 134 & n.135.)

Orchestration
 

We were all had.... it was all about the oil.

If it was about the Oil then why are our companies not in their pumping the fields dry right now. Also if that were the case, then it would drive the price of a barrel of oil down, as Opec has alot to do with setting the price. Again show me some concrete proof .

If it was about the Oil then why are our companies not in their pumping the fields dry right now. Also if that were the case, then it would drive the price of a barrel of oil down, as Opec has alot to do with setting the price. Again show me some concrete proof .

Why is it that the Sept. 11 commission found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda at all?

Why do internal CIA documents state such a relationship to be unlikely given the differing motivations?

Why is it that the Administration, who used a Saddam/Bin Laden nexus as the centerpiece of their justification for war has yet to offer any real evidence?

Remember Cheney stating it was "pretty much confirmed" that Atta met with Iraqi agents in Prague? Well, the intel now shows he was in the good old USA when that meeting occured.

Sorry, but I need to see some facts, not conservative opinion.

-spence

Sounds like some language was burried in the bill that nobody ever read!

Wouldn't be the first time.

The article certainly doesn't support your position.

-spence

Sorry
 

Its also about having military bases in the belly of the beast

Wow I did'nt know you had access to CIA documents, you must be a G-man

:hihi:

from the last link
 

However, the resolution also contains language designed, despite the lack of any credible evidence, to associate the former Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein with the 9/11 attacks.

Al Qaeda = Taliban = Iraq :usd:

And if the Queen had balls she would be King :spin:

Nope, just bother to read what's been released to the public :)

-spence

All I got to say!!

It's sort of funny, I think the start of this thread was the war was an issue to keep us from focusing on the war on civil rights taking place here at home.... seems to be working doesn't it?

I am so disgusted with this country today. I served my time in the US Army, as an infantryman, and couldn't have been more proud at one time. Today, I am convinced that from the President, to the Congress, to the Judiciary and every corner of Corporate America we are a nation of selfish & short-sighted people.

I am afraid I don't see a brighter future for this country. We are so wrapped up with Democrat good v. Republican bad, or Democart evil v. Republican savior, left v. right, black v. white, minority v. majority, A v. B, anything v. anything else!

It's insane. I cannot stomach the news anymore, it seems the recipe for a news program is throw two opposing viewpoints into the ring and let 'em duke it out for 7 minutes...

What a world it is.

The problem is, they don't even really duke it out.

The very notion of critical journalisim has nearly crumbled under the influences of a corporate media feeding news as entertainment to a 24/7 cable news crowd.

The media pounded Bill Clinton for his actions, and thinking ahead of the game Bush has declared war on the press in an effort to control and obfuscate the issues.

What we have today are pundits from two sides who toss their charged rhetoric into the ring, with little critical analysis or challenge when they stray too far from the facts or leverage innuendo.

Spin and deception are the norm, and the average joe simply doesn't have the energy to sort through it all.

-spence

Spin and deception are the norm, and the average joe simply doesn't have the energy to sort through it all.
I have to agree.