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You two guys make my visit to this site :love:

Spence were you or are you a chef...or did you have training in the field?
What do you do for a living or are you a trust funder?

Skip...what do you do for a living?

no answers are acceptable :usd:

Trust funder...nice :hihi: No...I'm an enterprise software business consultant.

I'm also a very serious home cook. What this means is that I can give you the meal of your life, but only for about 6-8 people at a time and with no cost or time pressure :hee:
I think Skip's a professional redneck :rtfm:

-spence

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see...................But never stop looking and listening!!

The Same logic that states that if you're President then you must be intelligent.....you can see where this is going :rollem:

After a good nights sleep, and a visit from two men from Langly, I agree with Skip, what ever the government reports is the correct news.Politicians never lie, especialy not Republicans. Thanks for helping me see the light...............this kool aid really tastes great.

the same goverment that sterilized thousands of poor black women in mississippi a few decades ago so they wouldnt reproduce anymore... the same goverment who allowed drugs to be smuggled through our borders, the same goverment who lied about its ship being fires upon first to start the vietnam war.... etc. etc.

no lies here... nope. carry on.

come on Nebe
 

the Government doesnt lie.....



thats a myth.....

there is NO "Area 51...."
pfffffffff
it's all in your imagination.....:jump:

there's no ufo's .....those are weather baloons you dummy...
oh wait....no,....it was the planet venus
you just "thought".... it was moving....

WTF are you talking about? Will you go on record and state that Bush ordered the attacks on 9/11 and they have been lying about it ever since? You are so dodging the issue we'ver been talking about in this thread by making a general statement how polititions have never lied in the past. Lets stick to the 9/11 issue Seabass....Do you believe the President Bush ordered the attacks to murder 3000 Americans on 9/11 and has been lying about it ever since??

you too Nebe, Just like Seabass you are dodging the issue in this thread. Will you also go on record and say that Bush planned and ordered 9/11 like seasbass believes? And he's been lying about it ever since?

I definately would not say he ordered it, but i would say that he may have known it was going to happen. If not him, definately someone close to him. Remember, it is rumored that we knew about pearl harbor, and let it happen so we could enter WWII and apease the isolationists here at home.

I really dont care if they knew about 9/11 or not.. its old news. the reality NOW is that the current administration is doing a HORRIBLE job.



30 grand per person to get out of his debt.....End of story. :hs:

Yeah and so did the last one and the one before that so on and so on. The reality is we have about the highest standard of living in the history of mankind. Appreciate it. You think this the first time our country has operated in deficit mode? Tell us exactly how your quality of life is effected by this 30k debt you have assumed ownership of. Has it changed your living standards from the time when you didnt owe the $30k? Tell us about the freedom you had six years ago and dont have now. Those dirty Republicans are stealing your civil rights aren't they?

do you have credit cards???? ever max them out?? there will come a time when we will have to pay for this spendign spree our goverment has gone on. That will mean higher taxes at some point.

I think the word is "troll"

Didn't have time to watch all the 'stuff' I stopped when the commentator said 'In 1945 a B-52 crashed into the Empire State Building'. B52 went operational in 1954. Guess that part was a working model?
Sarge

Ah, yes, the old "east wind, rain" smoking gun that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor.

It doesn't fly because it rests on faulty assumptions. One, that FDR knew more about how the war would play out than his top admirals, and knew that aircraft carriers would be the strategic key to victory, and not battleships. That's why he ordered the carriers to sea but kept the battlewagons in port as sacrificial lambs, according to the conspiracy theorists. Except that King, and even Yamamoto who ordered the attack, still believed in the supremacy of the battleship.

Two, that he knew that Pearl was THE objective of the attack, and that the japanese had the ability to pull it off. They knew the Japanese were up to something, but went with the natural assumption that it would come in the Philippines.

Most importantly, what FDR really wanted was an excuse to get into it with Germany in Europe. Even in the days following Pearl, there was very little support for getting into it with the Nazis in the US. Then, Hitler did the unthinkable by actually honoring a treaty, and declaring war on us after we declared war on Japan. You'd have to believe that FDR knew ahead of time that Hitler was going to honor the only treaty he ever did--against the advice of most of his top commanders, by the way.

My grand-father-in-law was secretary of war Under FDR. Trust me on this...... They knew.

it was
 

their ticket to ride.....



but i sense a JEDI mind trick :p

I can't wait for the fish to show up!!!!!!!Anyone?!!?

George Dern?

-spence

harry woodring.. Also former govenor of kansas. He was fdr's right hand man when he was elected pres, and when the war broke out in europe, they did not see eye to eye about going to war if we were not attacked. ( he was anisolationist) FDR replaced him before pearl harbor, but they were still very close for many many years.

Can't get here quick enough.

That conspiracy theory is whacked. :fishslap:
If the conservatives were behind 9/11 why didn't they crash the planes in the co-ops on the Upper West Side? That's where all the big donor libs come from.:gf:

If they had taken out the 92nd St YMCA, they could have wiped out most of the next generation of the liberal elite in the pre-school. Or gone up to mid-town and taken out the NYT offices. If I remember it was a Tuesday, they could have gotten Maureen Dowd, easy.:kewl:

I mean really, crashing through the offices of Merrill Lynch and Cantor Fitzgerald? Hello? They were bond traders. They were up there in the that top 5% of income and actually benefiting from the policies of the administration. You think they'd choose to wipe out card-carrying members of their base for cripes sake! ;)

Skip, not trying to dodge anything, and no I wont go on any record saying President Bush ordered the attacks on Sept. 11. I don't Know who did.I'm mearly DEBATING the issue that they could have come from other sources then what our government would have us believe. I found the link (and theory) to be interesting, being open minded as I am. I'm as patriotic as anyone, just not shallow minded and easily manipulated.I can respect some peoples anger on this subject, the country needs closure, and the government realizes this.I will continue to absorb information and arrive at conclusions that fit the facts. On the other hand, I feel as if you believe everything that Pres. Bush says is Gospel. I think you are being a bit nieve. There are billions of dollars being made over this that the American tax payer is footing the bill for while some associative pockets are being filled.

BINGO.. great answer. :gu:

wow...sorry to create such a heated debate over this. I was merely trying to share something that I thought was interesting and mind numbing. I have lost a friend (almost 4 but the other 3 decided to stay out late and got to work late) along with a job because of the whole debacle. I'm not trying to pursuade anyone nor am I anti-government, I just thought the story contained some interesting facts. damn....when's the fish arriving???:smash:

With all the REAL issues in the world to concern oneself with this one is just a waste of time.