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tlapinski 04-20-2006 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete_G
No one can ever tell me people don't buy into hype or marketing. I'd discuss the bone over orange plugs on everyone's websites these days too, but people might not believe me..

What is the deal on that color suddenly showing up all over the place? Did a paint company run a sale on bone and orange paints?????

NIB 04-20-2006 07:11 AM

Don't own any.not really a fan of orange bottom lures.Nor am I a fan of those spook type things.I made a livin on rubber on a jig head till Storm came out with shads in a bag.I was so pissed it took me 2 yrs to buy a pack an i still barely thro em.My style was cut from some old time NJ surfmen.I have seen many new ways to skin a cat in my travels.I take bits an pieces from all of it in effort of being the most complete surfcaster I can.My mind is always open for new Idea's. I may be slower than most to jump on the bandwagon thou.

Pete_G 04-20-2006 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tlapinski
What is the deal on that color suddenly showing up all over the place? Did a paint company run a sale on bone and orange paints?????

I dreamed it up one afternoon when we were thinking of custom colors for a Super Strike order.

The bone Jumpin Minnow is a deadly plug and at the time we were having great success on the Mag Darter with the orange belly on charters. So bone over orange was reborn. I had it painted by a few other builders and now it's everywhere...

Although it works well it was only an experiment at the time. It was weird to watch it spread online though.

likwid 04-20-2006 02:30 PM

Fad?
Not a fad?

http://www.ifeelhappy.com/media/rubbah.jpg

If it works I'll keep usin it.

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Originally Posted by spence
Hard money says that Stevie Van Stall and a Sluggo will outfish Spence and an eel 5:1...

And once upon a time the J Plugs were the cow killers off the islands but those were just a "fad".

Skitterpop 04-20-2006 03:23 PM

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Got one of these to try from shore when the squid is about. Its kind of heavy at 4 oz. but I`ll rip twitch it if its calm or throw it in strong current
and see what happens. Its a bad pic but the cedar part is bluple and the rubber black purple silver with white specs. Its about 9 inches long.

piemma 04-20-2006 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spence
This is a silly/dumb argument.

I'd wager unless there's been a "controlled" study of catch by lure type that most opinions are heavily jaded, relative or otherwise skewed.

Hard money says that Stevie Van Stall and a Sluggo will outfish Spence and an eel 5:1...

Granted, I'd look a hell of a lot better, but does that mean the rubber is the superior lure?

-spence

No one will ever look better than "Sir Cedric Cesspool" alias Spence.
Tell 'bout the night you went home cause your hat didn't match your shirt.

Skitterpop 04-20-2006 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by piemma
No one will ever look better than "Sir Cedric Cesspool" alias Spence.
Tell 'bout the night you went home cause your hat didn't match your shirt.


Thats not true is it? Whats he look like? I`ve seen a guy in a Basil Rathbone green tweed and red bowtie and English hippers last year in Soco.Tall blonde about 230# I`m guessing. His fully attired man servant was drying off his plug after every cast with a chamois.

piemma 04-20-2006 04:41 PM

trust me on this one. You have no idea how proper Mr. Spencer is when it comes to fishing attire. Blue hat to match his AquaSkinz top....yep

piemma 04-20-2006 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spence
Hard money says that Stevie Van Stall and a Sluggo will outfish Spence and an eel 5:1...


-spence

Maybe Spence, but I've seen the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& "smoke" Little Stevie when the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is fishin' eels

cheferson 04-21-2006 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Krispy
Musta been a bad joke.. :topic: I know who Al Bensten is and his accomplishments. I follow his rigged eel article.
But mentioning his name in this thread in regard to rubber eel supplies harkens back to the great "blue needlefish hysteria" of '03, all hype

a quote from AL on another site

"To me the best and most inovative lure during the past 50 years was Mickey Chirenza Tri-in eel. It is a tube lure and those that used it hammered big bass both day and night. What made it unique was the shape of the head which gave it it's name tri-fin and its action.

This lure came in different sizes and they all worked. It came along when the Alou plastic eel did and it outfished it. But it never got the noterity that the Alou eel did.

I beleive it's being resurrected by a company in R.I."

RIJIMMY 04-21-2006 11:36 AM

Interesting thread, seems like there is some real passion out there that I can’t really relate to. I had a good idea for an article for one of the mags and since I will never get around to write it, I’ll throw out so maybe someone will run with it. The gist of the article is “When are saltwater striper fisherman going to catch up with freshwater largemouth fisherman?”
Look at the evolution of the tactics – Bait – wood lures – jigs – rubber . Largemouth fisherman have been using rubber for YEARS. In my experience the two best lures for BIG largemouths are jigs and rubber worms.
To Joe’s point, I think that rubber (eben’s eel and Slugs) are just a natural evolution. I don’t think these appeal to bass as eel, but just as slimy, worm/eel things that will be an easy meal.
My Dad, who targeted big bass, swore by mister twister sassy shads. The Storm concept is not new, just a little fancier.
I like fishing with eels and believe live bait is best, but if I want to work a lot of area quickly, lures work best for me and the rubber is a great compromise. Also, the convenience is a major factor.
I find working eels, needlefish or plugs very slowly for hours is more tiring that working a sluggo quickly.

Pete_G 04-21-2006 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
Interesting thread, seems like there is some real passion out there that I can’t really relate to. I had a good idea for an article for one of the mags and since I will never get around to write it, I’ll throw out so maybe someone will run with it. The gist of the article is “When are saltwater striper fisherman going to catch up with freshwater largemouth fisherman?”
Look at the evolution of the tactics – Bait – wood lures – jigs – rubber . Largemouth fisherman have been using rubber for YEARS. In my experience the two best lures for BIG largemouths are jigs and rubber worms.
To Joe’s point, I think that rubber (eben’s eel and Slugs) are just a natural evolution. I don’t think these appeal to bass as eel, but just as slimy, worm/eel things that will be an easy meal.
My Dad, who targeted big bass, swore by mister twister sassy shads. The Storm concept is not new, just a little fancier.
I like fishing with eels and believe live bait is best, but if I want to work a lot of area quickly, lures work best for me and the rubber is a great compromise. Also, the convenience is a major factor.
I find working eels, needlefish or plugs very slowly for hours is more tiring that working a sluggo quickly.

Sort of a natural evolution. It was kick started by an extensive (and maybe not even intentional) advertising campaign, imo. Sluggos in saltwater are far from new. Many guys used them and lost interest years ago. Rigging so as to get a different presentation and appear more eel like is the only really "new" concept.

If you walked into the SWE 5 or more years ago back when it was considered just a fly shop there was a big selection Sluggos, complete with insert weights.

I think the Sluggo's popularity will wane, just like fly fishing did, just like wood is now. The market will get saturated, which has already begun, the novelty will wear off, the best products will survive, and the rage will be over.

likwid 04-21-2006 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete_G
I think the Sluggo's popularity will wane, just like fly fishing did, just like wood is now. The market will get saturated, which has already begun, the novelty will wear off, the best products will survive, and the rage will be over.

Now its all about Bunker Spoons after one article in a certain magazine.

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