best animal to release
 

aint a yote...to big and easily spotted
a weasel kills with reckless abandon
and you can buy ferrets at the pet store
same thing...raise it on quail eggs
and then release it....presto chango
no mas plover heuvo's (eggs):skulz:

What Karl said. Remember: a lot of good people put in a lot of time to try to work-out what they can with the local Rangers. Don't shoot the troops if the civilian authority is messed-up. and vote.

From what Karl has told me it seems like an uphill battle to fight those bird/nature groups. Once they get off the endangered list maybe things will get easier but I doubt that since they will just manipulate the numbers most likely :rollem:


here is the reply I got by email

Vehicle access to the Seashore's beaches has been temporarily closed to protect piping plovers. Plover management at the Seashore follows the guidelines developed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service and the Piping Plover Recovery Team in 1996. These guidelines call for vehicle-free areas to extend at least 200 meters on each side of a plover nest for the first week after hatching, and after a week, at least 100 meters around the brood until the chicks fledge. In some instances, based on the behavior of the chicks, the buffer may need to be expanded. Vehicle access was closed at the Race Point North and Race Point South accesses earlier this month when nearby nests hatched. This past weekend, nests adjacent to the remaining vehicle access routes along the Pole Line Road hatched, closing these access points to vehicles until the chicks fledge or move out of the area.

Vehicle closures on portions of the beach occur every year, but this is the first time all vehicle access has been closed. These closures are temporary, and will last only until plover broods fledge or when trained staff observe the brood a safe distance from vehicle access points for a period of time and don’t expect the brood to return. During the negotiated rulemaking that formed the basis of the park's oversands vehicle program, the parties involved agreed to avoid adversely affecting plovers by adopting the recovery plan guidelines. When we became aware of the likelihood of a complete vehicle closure, we asked for help from the US Fish and Wildlife Service to see if there was another approach that would provide some kind of vehicle access while meeting the negotiated rule's plover protection objectives. Despite our best combined efforts, no other option was available to us to get vehicles on the beach without substantial risk of direct harm to plover chicks.

We deeply appreciate everyone's patience, and we assure you that vehicle access will be restored as soon as it is possible to do so without harming the plovers. We have a legal responsibility for piping plover management and we have an obligation with the Off-Road Vehicle Community. We work very hard to accommodate access when we are able, and have to make hard decisions on closures only when required. We apologize to those who must change their plans, but hope everyone can understand the long-term benefits of this action. Current oversand corridor information is available 24-hours a day on a prerecorded message line and can be accessed by calling 508-487-3698. As soon as sections of the corridor reopen this message line will be updated.

----- Forwarded by Carrie Phillips/CACO/NPS on 06/13/2006 05:27 PM -----

Scottee Nista
To: Carrie Phillips/CACO/NPS@NPS
06/13/2006 08:40 cc:
AM EDT Subject: Fw: From ParkNet - beach access closures





Scottee Nista
Cape Cod National Seashore
99 Marconi Site Road
Wellfleet, MA 02667
(508) 349-3785 x202

Why don't they pick up the nest and move it 200 meters back from the beach where people drive?

Heading down to the cape in 6 hours looks like I better bring the walking shoes, what a load of crap who knew such a little bird could be such a big problem.

"we apologize to those who have to change their plans" HAHAHAHA! right! Like they care that the vacation you bid and can't change months ago is out the window...all the preparation, investment, and hopes to have a decent family vacation are stuffed... Gee every year it closes earlier and for longer, hmmm these birds really seem to be struggling... Then when more of us give up the permits, they'll say; "Our studies indicate that there is a reduced demand for oversand vehicular access, therefore we propose to make the CCNS a bird sanctuary. If you want to go see the beach, join Mass Audabon, then pony up a daily fee to observe the guided tour from the misguided idiots that took the National Seashore away from us. I think I'll go into another sport with a brighter future, maybe hunting Buffalo on the open plains...what a crock of ...:bshake: BTW have fun with your campers in the parking lots,MBBA and others who sold out to get the tin condos on the beach as a trade for miles of the most productive surf on the planet being padlocked....

Yer more of a Ditch guy, eh?

I know I`m bad but this is pure evil :hihi:

3 years ago it was $60, now its $150!! and You can't get on??? I am glad I gave up the sticker!!

Now I just sneak on at night. :doh:

You think thats bad? He gave me his cooler rack :err: Must of seen some hard miles under that *** :ss:

"We're gonna need a bigger cooler."

Krispy, I don't see any picture, you hot linked it to SOL :doh:

Dunno what's up with that.Something in the new software over there, I 'spose :huh:

I see it :huh:

SOL here:huh:

It's not an sol picture but he was trying to take a picture from SOL and SOL's HILPADS "hot internet linking protection active defense system" kicked in :nopain:

I still see it...
copied and uploaded...:

I'm saving golf for when I'm old ..

How does Arts Dune Tours STILL DRIVE THE BEACH.

Krispy, That was the other "Back Beach", I'm backbeach- my mistake- I registered before checking out names on the site and the software didn't kick it out when I put it in as one word smallcase...I contacted the other one and we have known each other for years, but both have been put off by the BS cming out of the CCNS... I feel the same about the name as he does though...one of many things we agree upon. Thanks for the picture of me at the Canal, I'm glad you got my good side:thanks: What we have lost at the beach has been like a death in the family. I used to go down there as a sanctuary from lifes troubles- I used to feel I left all the bad stuff on the mainland side of the Canal... Now going down there brings more hassles than anything. I never would have bought a bigger boat than my tin "backbeach sled" if we could really still fish the beach. When you fish from a boat you can't relax as much as you can in the surf- ur constantly on lookout for hazards. In the surf- you can concentrate on the fishing. To drive a couple of hours to get there, and leave a bunch of tackle in the truck in a lot is nerve racking. So now you decide on one, maybe two sticks and a bag of plugs- and hope your plan doesn't go out the window when it blows up to 30+ and all you can do is sling 8oz and sandeels...or it goes flat and all there are is schoolies and you have the meatstick rigged eel rod. Wow, what fun! I'm sure the powers that be down there look at us more as vagrants than tourists- since we aren't going out for $100.00 meals or renting B&B's since we fish all night anyway...I wish I had more hope, but it just keeps getting worse.

Habs, Excellent point about Art's Dune Tours, what difference is his rig than ours- is it a hovercraft? Nope, If you pay - you can play...just don't try to get more than a glimpse of the beach- you might enjoy it and want to come back; just pay your fare and move back into town and spend, spend, spend. I almost look forward to the seals tolling in some big great whites tight to the beach. When the tourists can't swim (like sections of California) see how the Chamber Of Commerce howls since people aren't going to plan vacations for minigolf and T-shirt shops alone. Or when the coliform count from seal crap closes beaches... Once the novelty of the seals wears off, the locals will still be stuck with them, cause the tree huggers will be raising funds in the rest of the country to fight any controls anyone will come up with for them. (They are more cuddly looking on a begging letter than the foolish Plovers - and looked what havoc they have brought on us). It's all a red herring to keep us off the beaches, and they are implementing it incrementally and have been for years...enjoy the scraps they give you in 2006, because it'll look like the"good old days" in 5 years.:wave:

You burned my favorite spot. Nice picture of me in my skinny days though.

HEY! Lookit all the Backbeaches!!

Backbeach Jake. Yeah, and it seemed so original at the time....I don't suppose we could call you "BJ"? Nah, never mind- don't like the sound of that after all....:bl2:

Please make note that I am now the "Mighty" Back Beach to avoid any future identity theft or misdirected insults. :musc:

I'm gonna use the free parking all next week, every day, all day long!
we'll see how much they like a big black Avalanche in the parking lot with a huge "I love Jugs" sticker on the back blaring Judas Priest on my 500 watt stereo.
I invite as many of you all as humanly possible to join me.
Later,
Rick (and Mikey too):shocked:

I want to park with, & fish w/ Rick! Sounds like a pissah!-- hope the towns don't mind the overflow fishermen! :bshake: But that takes care of the access issue, at select back- beach lots (if they tolerate these displaced 4WD guys in their lots long!). That still leaves the Seals... & mung... & now new crowds to deal with that were sand- driving P-Town & Nauset prior! :lurk:

Well, this Cape fearless forecaster predicts the worst Mung year on the Cape yet!... the most seals yet! (even the master Tonys are acknowledging the problem is bad by now)... and thus the worst Bass Surf- fishing there yet in '06. PLEASE someone go and prove me wrong-- but this year I'll stay closer to home & save gas too (if 100- 200 miles away is "close?").

Flap... all due respect: but "get a boat" is no solace to die- hard Beach fishermen, esp. those in love with the Backside from it's glory years. I do have a (modest) boat: had a 35 lber. two nights ago on it. My first thought: this would've been a heck of a fish/ fight from the rocks of M., or the sands of Eastham. Yes: a surf- caught cow is thrice as big an accomplishment & rush, as is the same boat- caught fish. And double that if the beach is somewhere between Race Point and Nauset in early October! :uhuh: As close to Heaven-- and peace & solitude-- as there is in the Striper surf World! Yes I / we miss those days/ nights... & that place, & wish seals & ORV restrictions & worsening Mung didn't conspire to make us die- hards give it up for elsewhere-- or to seek boats...

The lots will be fun though this Summer! Might make up for the lack of fish, & etc.-- I might make the trip once just to check out that scene! Hopefully Rick & friends will let me know where they are to join the party/ protest: I'll bring the Led Zep & Rush & Jimi & Ozzy! They'll re- open the beachs (to clear the lots of us "riff- raff") in no time afterward! :buds:

I'll be there June 24th to July 2nd.:wiggle:

HC lot, South end? RP lot? HOM West lot? (I guess it depends on fishing-- & Sealing!... at that time!) :rotf2: 10 PM, one night? (June 30?)

Maybe I'll bring a few surplus BM Needles & Lifishinvt Darters & Gibbs Pencils for raffling away... & we'll really pack the lot of Bass- nuts, to stand out from the bonfire/ College- types! (Someone w/ a van bring the keg? I'll pay w/ the plug proceeds!) :btu:

no van and no keg.....but I got plenty of the homemade wine.....:shocked: :cheers:

Rick...Jugas Preist? C'mon.........we need some oldschool death metal....:devil:

Nah, "BJ" is my brother Bob. Over in FrankD's place, I was Backbeach until backbeach showed up. He'd signed up earlier so I changed to relieve some of the confusion. I was reading posts that I couldn't remember posting. Call me Jake or Fred, I'll accept either.

Howdy everybody. I've been away since '89 working in other parts of the world, and got my new $150 sticker eagerly looking forward to some Race Point fishin' & relaxin' my first year back. Yikes! How things have gotten worse.

When I started doing the ORV thing at the Race in '75, the sticker was $15.00/year, ALL of the beach was open, 2 dune trails were open (the inner and outer dune routes from RP to High Head beach), the Rangers did not bother any fisherman sleeping on the beach overnight, so we would curl up in a tire rut next to our trucks without worrying about getting hassled. As a city guy I would drive down from Boston every weekend without worrying about a closure.

Piping Plover nests would get “orange flagged” and when the birds fledged, and as warned, we would watch out for the little runts in our tire tracks and make sure we did not run over them, or watch that they did not get trapped in a tire rut as they occasionally did.

Then it ALL started changing for the bad. What started the downhill slide IMHO were the movies “Smokey and the Bandit” and “Convoy” that came out in about 1978/79. Those flicks spawned what we striper/blue fishermen lovingly called the “Yahoos” (well before the invention of the internet Yahoo.com)….as in…“Here come the f’n Yahoos!” Within months of the new CB radio craze these turkeys got brand new 4WDs and decided to go dune blasting like they would do in the TV commercials for 4WDs. Over the bushes, grasses and everything/everywhere else they could go. The Yahoos especially liked dune blasting at night with their Halogen lights and so they could turn them off to evade the overwhelmed Park Rangers. Plover chicks were found flattened in tire tracks so there was hell to pay.

The Yahoos started sleeping on the beach with no fishing gear aboard which obviously over-crowded the beach after awhile, and some started to go into Hatches Harbor and dig up the Soft Shell clams for steamers, even though there were signs saying “NO CLAM DIGGING.” They would cruise too close to the fore dune, let the family out to climb the dune stomping out the dune grasses, and then pee and crap openly on top of the dunes.

After a season or two of this, the dune trails were closed down due to damage, the rules were changed saying fishermen had to be actively fishing overnight, so it got risky to take a nap under penalty of a sticker suspension for the rest of the ORV season. During the ‘80s I watched the sticker rates start to climb, and beach section closures start, but the damage was done and it looks like from what I have read on this thread it has just gotten tougher. It only took a few to spoil it for the many.

Well the aforementioned gives you some prospective on how I feel we got started to where we are today, and hope to see you out there later this summer. Cheers.

Bottomgun

Good Post Bottomgun, welcome to SB.

You made me remember KC highliters, hi-boyF250's with 12x35x15 tires. Liftkitted K10 blazers with fat tires.. CB's yep..all shiny two tone paint, and them ripping around, making their own trails.
Lots of Alchohol Impaired, Burt Reynolds wannabes running around back then.
I remember telling one beach official that 4 wheel drive was ruining the beaches.. ban it. Make the beaches 2 wheel drive vehicles only, would have elminated a LOT of the Yahoos!
That arguement didn't fly, because of the other breed of Yahoos.. the ones in the dune buggy kit converted VW's with the Huge sand tires on the rear... they had to blast and jump every GD dune they saw....

meybe we should just ban Yahoos? ;)