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Rip Runner 08-08-2006 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by numbskull
Back in my day, no one dared fish Sow and Pigs without a skeg. That pretty much ruled out inboard seacrafts.

The boats back then for sow & pigs were Crosby's, Tripp Angler's and small Harris Cuttyhunk's etc... I agree, most were straight inboards with skegs, it made you feel more comfortable when you felt the bump underneath you, I remember it from when I was a kid.

likwid 08-09-2006 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Runner
The boats back then for sow & pigs were Crosby's, Tripp Angler's and small Harris Cuttyhunk's etc... I agree, most were straight inboards with skegs, it made you feel more comfortable when you felt the bump underneath you, I remember it from when I was a kid.

Tripp Anglers were far and few between, round bilge = rolls like hell if you were on the sow in any kind of swell.

There were also alot of Brownells and Surf Hunters.

Infact the Surf Hunters live on in aluminum over there now. :hihi:
There's never been a modern setup that compares to the abilities of a Surf Hunter with the forward casting platform with controls.

Vectorfisher 08-10-2006 04:40 PM

Krispy we will have to compare notes as I have recently started my 69 Sea Craft 20 resto, I am going back with the I/O that it came with much better lines and much safer IMO. Weird part about it is I think I bought my dads first boat, I am trying to track down owners with little success. My new transom is all cut out just needs to get glassed in (this weekend)

slapshot 08-10-2006 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by capesams
. those with deep pocket's buy what is called a [forgot the name:smash: ] which is a hull taken off a 23 sc an extended to 24'.

Are you thinking of the Topaz or the Silverhawk? Both are sweet, but pricey. The one with the inboard on a jackshaft has a nice cockpit.

capesams 08-10-2006 06:52 PM

that's it.."silverhawk"..all I could think of was seahawk which was a cheap copy of a seaox.

JohnR 08-10-2006 07:40 PM

Silverhawk was bought by Topaz... Pretty nice boats....

Let's see - knock off of Seacraft hulls:

Silverhawk (probably the best knock off)
Cape Cod Marine 26 (stretched 23) / now Albin 26
Sailfish
Palm Beach
Quonset Point 25
Helms 21

A few others but all I can think of off the top of my head....

afterhours 08-10-2006 07:46 PM

old formulas 23' was a hull of a hell!

Jon G 08-11-2006 09:17 PM

Cape, that Hi liner hull is a 222 pretty sweet old ride. Theres one or two nice ones around. The only thing that will make me sell my 74' 20 seacraft is a 23' seacraft. :rotfl:

parker23 08-13-2006 09:58 AM

parker 23 se
 
I am on my 3rd season w/my Parker23se. I love this boat. Trim tabs combined w/a few clicks of motor trim is the key to a good ride. It took me a full season to learn how to trim the boat in the range of sea conditions you encounter throughout the year. I am rarely forced to drop my speed under 18 knots due to water conditions. Cruising speed in 28 knots at 7 gallons per hour, can’t do that with a 21 degree deadrise.
Granted, I have had a few wet/bumpy rides home but slamming really isn’t an issue.

I fish very tight to the rocks in turbulent water and she sits very well. Stable enough for me to get a fly into the white water and get to the controls to get out when I get too close.
This is my 4th boat over 20' and is by far the best. A few members have been out w/me in lovely November weather and they were very impressed with a ten mile ride home in a nasty cold water chop.

striperman36 08-13-2006 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rip Runner
You have to ride in a 23 Seacraft to appreciate it. I completely restored this boat with my father and now do custom charters out of it for smaller groups or specialty fishing we might not do on the Blackfin.

The straight inboards ride even better than the outboards, but they are not as fast. I took the wing curtains off this year because I never need them.


Awesome job, how many hours into it?
I would love to find one to take a long project on.
While I fish my Maritime 2090 of course.


Bill

Hooper 08-13-2006 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by capesams
older hulls you can:

leave on a trailer for years without the fear of the rollers pushing the bottom in.

you can drill just about anywhere and only need washers to back up the bolt...not alum. plating or starboard or wood.

the sides don't flex like tin and won't spider crack.

punch a hole in anywhere and you have some meat that surrounds that hole to work with/repair.

they can take a pounding and keep on going.

I've seen half the bottom taken off of an older 23 seacraft by a floating log and it came home from offshore safe and sound[thick hull] wouldn't want to try that with a new boat / thin new an approved resin's.:hidin:


'Nuff said

danno1 08-17-2006 02:24 PM

What do you guys think about the ride in a 83 21 Mako ? I just bought one, and would like some feed back on it

Krispy 08-17-2006 02:57 PM

HiLiners 22'
Awesome looking boats
http://www.gandsmarine.com/boatsfors.../Hiliner22.JPG
http://www.wellcraftv20.com/gallery/.../3_G.thumb.jpg

PS. I chopped the cap at the transom on Tuesday, and will be cutting the rest of the engine box out Friday night. I may be able to use part of it as a splash well. Im still attempting to remove the volvo i/o, this things got bolts in the most awkward places. Theres been some previous work done in the back, some of it sloppy. So far the transom wood looks solid, we'll get a better idea after the outdrive gets removed.
Saturday I plan on doing the rough cut to remove the cuddy and begin removing the floor down to the stringers.
My wifes back :cheers: (she took the my new camera), so Ill post some pics over the wekend

capesams 08-17-2006 03:26 PM

they shore r....most that I've seen around here have been turned into cc...there's one not far from me that the guy put a dog house on and a new 225 honda on a bracket.Two other's r just like your pic and a third one is being rebuilt, another cc.

danno1 08-17-2006 03:45 PM

If that`s the pic that`s showing, it`s a NICE looking rig. How do these boats compare ride wise ?

capesams 08-17-2006 07:22 PM

I'm sorry to say I've never been in a mako or hy-liner,,,what I watch is when the offshore jigger's go out an come back in later, I take note of their ride's....seacraft//hy-liner//capecodder...around here anyway's....these folk's work every day on their boat's, so they must know what works as to what hull's are best.

MrHunters 08-17-2006 08:00 PM

i just got my boat but am already thinking of my upgrade... this boat is a good base line and now i know what i want for my next boat.

these are two totally differnt setups but i like both..

what do you guys thing of a 21ft sea swirl walk around
or a 22ft eastern lobsterman. both seem to be pretty good bang for your buck and you could pick up a used one for under 30 if you look hard enough. today... those would be the two id choose from, different yes, but i like both styles...today ;) tomorrow?? well who knows.

sokinwet 08-18-2006 02:29 PM

Still fish my "stock" 71 Seacraft Seafari hard several days a week. Passed down from my dad to me and I figure it will go to my son after I'm done with it! Look me up in 35 years and let me know how that brand "X" is holding out.:humpty:

likwid 08-18-2006 02:43 PM

Mackenzie.

zacs 08-18-2006 03:10 PM

i am really looking forward to your progress pictures, Krispy

Krispy 08-18-2006 03:56 PM

I just read somewhere that the Hi-liners (Ray Hunt design) were very closely modeled after the 20' Bertram, minus 1 chine. If thats the case they should run pretty nice

Got some fun air tools delivered last night from Homiers. A little body saw (reciprocating) and 4" cutting wheel and picking up a cheapo angle grinder over the w/e. WEEEEE!!
Pics 2nite

capesams 08-18-2006 04:10 PM

24 grit disc..old glass is tough.

Krispy 08-19-2006 12:11 PM

Heres the album:
http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m47/Seafari20/

zacs 08-20-2006 10:11 AM

looking good. keep us updated. I am really excited to see that thing opened up...

JohnR 08-20-2006 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by zacs
looking good. keep us updated. I am really excited to see that thing opened up...

Opened up as in Wide Open Throttle?

Or Opened up as in you can visually inspect the stringers from Google Earth?


Keep up the good work Krispy! What is your timeline for fishing the boat?

Krispy 08-20-2006 11:36 AM

Thanks guys, Ill update some pics tonite. I removed the entire engine box, I can see possibly re-using part of it to make a splashwell. The floor was surprisingly solid throughout.
I thought initially 1 year, August of 2007. But things are moving quicker than expected, so I hope to have the hull complete by spring, $$ depending.

Krispy 08-20-2006 11:38 AM

Ill start a new thread so I can update it as it progresses


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