"We must stop at two big fish we feel may count they get to cull threw 30 that is not apples for apples."

how many people recs or comms are truly culling through 30 40-50 lb fish?
I was watching several of those guys unload there catch at menemsha last week and the majority of fish were in the 20-25 lb class with a few 30-35s in there.
these guys catch big fish, and during the derby when they can only keep 2 they are still consistently putting 40's and 50s on the board. whether it was comm season or not, lev and others would still be catching large.

I'm with you #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&:buds:
"It is all whinning and jealousy...wa...wa...wa...I dont stand a chance....no fair...sounds like a bunch of 5 year olds in a schoolyard, go fishing and hope for the best."

How can anyone with a higher than a first grade education say that someone that can cull 30 fish does not have a very big advantage to someone culling two thats two yes I said two fish.:fishslap: :fishslap:

Agian not whinning I don't care but FACTS and numbers are what they are. I just thought the tournament was a good thing but do not see it going any where with this type of set up. I think the guys at On The Water did a great job to bring this about but I can't get past the numbers. So I guess I will not bother next year so I will not be accused of whinning. Or I could get all my com. buds to sign on to S.B .com as I am sure they would if asked. But then it would not be us would it.

No clue, but no point in argueing the fact :smash:

[QUOTE=GBOUTDOORS]How can anyone with a higher than a first grade education say that someone that can cull 30 fish does not have a very big advantage to someone culling two thats two yes I said two fish.

I just don't see it as being that big of an issue. guys that are going to catch large are going to catch large regardless of how many fish they can keep.

and for the record im jealous as hell of the guys, any guys that consistently catch fish in the 40-50 lb class comm or rec. i put in a lot of time and catch a handful of fish a year in the 30 lb class. and no matter how hard i try and where i fish and the time i put in i haven't been able to nab a 40 or a 50 yet.

maybe i need a boat:behead:

I just wanted to say hi to everyone :cheers: Good debate and no holds barred stuff.

:wid:

I applaude the guy that can do it - comm or rec - and hope that some day down the road enough good knowledge will finally sink in my skull that I can be one of those guys.

This is just about the math....

I agree with ya john.

Just called six of my customers that are com. guys and asked if they would sign up for S-B and all said yes. All these guys have fish in the 40+50# range so far this year and will get many more till they stop fishing com. What do you think should we go for it???? If so then take my name out of the club division .

John, I dont care who is comm or not....big fish is big fish, nothing to do with culling etc. good fisherman will catch the largest fish...regardless.....As for the culling, thats crap...these guys are not going to toss money overboard just for a pin !!!!!!!! If they happen to catch a large they enter it...but culling with money.....nope dont think so, they keep there fish to get paid....by the lodgic here....your telling me these guys catch 20 fish and toss them in the drink because they get 20 larger? Recs can do that also....

The only advantage I see is that they are good fisherman, the ones with the large anyway.

i mostly agree with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.
those guys just have a lot more time on the water.

And Zacs, there are recs who are just as good and have time on the water also, only difference is these guys make some money with there fish...A fisherman is a fisherman in my book, you either have it or you dont...simple as that. There are plenty of guys with commercial lic. who dont catch well...

Here is the scenario folks.......comm. catches 30 fish.......one of them happens to be a 52 pounder.....the rest are 25-30 pounders......comm. figures why not weigh it in and make myself eligible for the 5 person drawing of the boat or truck or what ever the 5 largest fish caught are eligible for! Sells 29 for the dough and enters the 52 pounder! It is not culling in the sense of the word, just that out of the 30 fish.....one happens to be a slammer......you don't think that has/could happen?:huh:

Every name up there is a better trophy fisherman than I am. ( Remember "show me the slips?" well there they are:rtfm: ). I don't think any more time on the water would make me that much better. As for NIB, Holy crap man, you got a bass magnet or what!!!???:shocked: :btu:

I registered for only 2 reasons......1) If lightening happens to strike and I get one over 30, 40, 50 or Gawd forbid 60 pounds......other than keeping the trophy for meself it would be nice to get a pin for the accomplishment! 2) Thought that at the very least I would be eligible for that drawing at the banquet.:huh:

Thats all.....thats it.....don't care about getting the biggest, getting the most large or scoring the most points......thats not why I fish.....I fish cause I love to fish! Its my own little BigFish Derby and I am the only participant......I can't lose!:jump:

Don't they still get to keep the fish after its weighed? If So they aren't really giving that fish up.

You are correct!

It's early August. I don't have a 20-30# fish landed yet this year! If I get something that will actually mean something in the final tally, it will have to be over 40#. Level field? No. But that's not my reason for entering. Will OTW review the format for the future? Probably. But for this year, I entered under the rules as they stand. If comms want to play, I just don't care......... It is what it is.

(my reason for entering was my two trips to Cuttyhunk each provide me a shot at a trophy fish, so I had better be entered)

I basically just entered because I was heading to Cutty for the 1st time and, well, you just never know.

That's it in a nutshell. only mine is the Jake Derby..September's coming...

I can't read all this since it has morphed into I don't know what.
But I garauntee that I will have a 30 or 40 pound bass most likely on Sept. 18th:behead:

Yah me too Slip....and I will be happy!:jump:

I have to say I mostly agree with #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.
OK,I gotta go lay down now.:D
Like he said these guys can fish they have big fish patterns that they have found an developed for yrs.If it was at 2 fish they would still get em. Know why I'll spell it out.They go fishing, big fish spots learned over yrs Live baits or maybe yo-yoing.Lets throw that into the mix also.They don't bother to keep anything till it is a 40+ lb fish. They fish some more throwing back all smaller fish.Only taking another fish that is 50+ lbs.The 2 fish limit allows this to happen why can't U guys with a higher than a first grade education figure this out.They don't need 30 fish to cull from They are allowed 2 that is all they need.'
GOOD FISHERMAN DON'T NEED TO CULL FROM 30 FISH TO WIN THIS. Plain an simple...
It is happening sure but they could probably do it with out a 30 fish limit if they chose to.That is my point.They are still catching the fish that is the most important part an they should be applauded for thier efforts.Would they work as dilligently at it if there was no com.season.Probably not, who can afford gas an the time off without the money 30 fish brings to offset the cost's.Well who is to say.Some are more drivin then others. I spent a week in BI an I just did a weekend in the canal my gas cost's where over 400.Plus other expense's.I will also make more trips north.I do this tourney or no.I guess we won't really know till it is changed.I bet they go out an pound us again next year with no com's allowed just to make a point.

Is this illegal??
The rule simply states that fish for the week have to be entered by Sunday.The tackle shop guy is a busy man he has more important things to do then run to the P.O. every time a angler brings a fish in.That is why u see time lapses in the report section the dates are on the slips.That is what matters everything else is buy the rules.Or am I wrong by assuming this??Plus where does it say in the rules that if a angler gets a good fish on Monday an a better one on Friday he can't pull the slip. It just states he can only register one for the week.well it's still just one.One way of fixing this is to have numbered slips with the tackle shop responsible for keeping things in order sure mistake could be made but those slips would have to come in also. A stream of improprieties could be case for suspicion.I guess any contest will have room for doubt.Like I read somewhere else in this thread we have to have more faith in Our Fellow Man or not enter.

I bet they go out an pound us again next year with no com's allowed just to make a point. Tony G.



This is a nice clean shot

NIB hit the nail on the head. Those are my thoughts exactly. I just can't say it as good. You know that to win now, you are going to need 40#+ fish. So go cull through 30 fish until you get a 40#er. The only difference is you are throwing them back, they are throwing them in the tote. People cry like if they could keep 30 fish they would have 40 and 50 lb. fish to enter. :jester:
These guys are just way better fishermen.

I say congrats to them, and if any of them are reading this, I will pay gas money and use of my boat for a mentor.

Zac

[QUOTE=Skitterpop]I bet they go out an pound us again next year with no com's allowed just to make a point.



I agree 100%
Face it, these guys know how to catch BIG fish year in year out !!!

My understanding of the rules is, once a fish is entered, it's entered. You enter it by signing the slip. You decide before you sign the slip whether to enter it, after you see the weight. Once you sign the slip, that slip gets sent in. I think if I was to ask the weighmaster to pull that slip so I could enter a bigger one, that'd be against the rules. And most of the weighmasters would refuse to do it.

As far as Major goes---there is conflicting information on whether he's even received a citation in the mail yet. It was clear he was not issued one on the spot, as it was too rough for the single EPO working solo to board. Also, since the EPO never boarded, the illegal fish were never seized as evidence, or even photographed. OTW is in a very bad position here. Could it be possible that, after the EPO conferred with his superior officer, the conversation went something like, "Gee, it's all well and good that you claim you saw 4 bass over the limit, but we don't have the fish, and we don't even have a picture of the fish. I think it'd be a waste of time to even cite the guy."? Can they disqualify a guy based on internet hearsay? Was the person who posted here when it happened, purporting to be Bill Major and admitting to a "miscue", even Bill Major? Major has 2 of the 5 keys to the lock that gives away the truck in his pocket. There is every possibility he'd institute legal action against OTW were they to disqualify him without a conviction in a court of law, or an unambiguous admission on his part.

I have no doubt those guys are way better fishermen and have proven ways to catch (live bait, yo-yo...or whatever) and probaly would win regardless of having a comm license..........so why not change the rules to no comms can weigh in during comm season???
I loose Sept and Oct....my real chance at a good fish and Im sure the same for a lot of surf guys
also I could give a rats a$$......I fish for fun....entered just in case and maybe win the boat:jester:
never claimed to be a GENIUS....last time I checked ...wasnt a LADY...and think Im older than 5............if any of that was directed at me...I take offense:devil:

Was not directed at u slinga so don't go get ur panties in a bunch.
In fact after re reading it I felt there where some parts of my post that where not
neccessary To make my point so I deleted em.Sorry.

• Angler’s are allowed to enter and weigh only one (1) fish per week.
• Fish must be at least 34 inches in length to weigh in.
• Fish must be weighed at a registered weigh station sanctioned by the tournament.


• By signing the weigh-in slip, the fisherman attests to all information given.

Sounds to me like once that fish hits the scale, you're stuck with that fish for the week.

The Derby rules are a little different--or were before the state went to 2 bass a day. You could enter the heaviest bluefish, albie or bonito of the day, but only one bass a day. In other words, if you went to the weigh-in with a 12 pound blue in the morning, you could enter a 14 pounder in the evening. Same with a bonito. However, when the bass limit was one per day, you could only weigh in one a day. A fish was considered to be "entered" when you presented it to the weighmaster and announced your badge number and division (boat or shore, or fly rod boat or shore). I haven't fished it since Mass went to the 2 bass bag, so I don't know how it works now. I'm assuming you can enter two a day, with only your heaviest counting.

panties un- bunched......:jester:
not really mad....just alot of name calling...not neccessary

I agree we are all friends here having a normal conversation right?
Sometimes I lose track of that.

Because this is a fishing forum....could we please refer to it as "waders in a bunch"? Thanks....a bunch!:jester:

no joking...this is serious buisness

It looks to me like alot of typing for nothing, it is what it is for this year,
there is nothing to be done about it now.
it is going to take 10- 40 to 45 pound fish to win so get out and fish,
I am not weighing a fish in this year, I am not worthy :uhoh:

Nib, you need to tell us all how you really feel :devil: :shocked: :soon: :usd:


I think everything was laid out ahead of time, so everyone plays by the same rules comm or rec. It doesn't matter whether you fish for fun or fish as a pro for money, ya still have as much right to enter this striper cup as the next guy.

Having said that I find a comparison to golf in this argument you guys are making. Ya don't see many golf tournaments that have both pros and amatuer golfers in the same tourney except pro-ams, and those have their own format. I know it's not comparing apples to oranges.

OK now having said that, I agree with nib:hidin:

I guess it's the dog days of summer

I entered so I could have a chance at that boat too Slinah:D shore fishing is getting limited these days for sure.

I wear neoprene waders inside breathables because I don`t want other fishers to know I hate even cool water..:usd:

Aw, gee, let's all hold hands and sing.

On three----"We are the world, we are the children..." :jester: :lm:

:jester: I think this belongs on Justplugits' thread about old sayings :usd: