Sounds painful...

Puuuhhhllleeeezzeee....... you know better :rollem:

We are there to train Iraqi Troops!:wiggle:

HUH!?? I thought the GOP and Bush only could lower prices during election years, and the rest of the time they kept them inflated???

On the surface it sounds ok, leave them alone and let them live in a radical Islam society. However, the more radical these people get, the more they will want to attack us yet again. If we leave them alone they will be able to plan and carry out attacks with ease. We need to know what these animals are up to, because if we leave them alone, they will keep planning and attempt to carry out more attacks on the US.

We ignored them for years, and look what happened, 3000 dead Americans.

The root of the problem is Islam, if Islam could somehow become a non radical and a more moderate religion, the world would be a better place. Why the hell is there no big movement towards a more peaceful Islam? Whre are all the good Muslims speaking out and trying to stop and condemn the radical Islamists? if more GOOD muslims would speak up and become more mainstream, we might have a slight chance.

You have a point there but radical Islam has only been on a rise recently. I think it has something to do with our policies in Iraq. From what is being known, Arab culture has soaked in a lot of western culture before our invasion. Nowadays, their society has tighten up and become 'radical' due to the war. For example, before our invasions women in Iraq where allowed to where western clothing and makeup. Since our invasion, they're all covered in bed sheets.

I believe our presence in the Middle East only provoke 'radical' Islam instead of ridding it. What do you think must be done to rid of the 'Radical' Islamist?

Radical Islam is older than dust.

Yes older but now more popular than ever!

Will they do the Pope?

Radical Islam is nothing new, we just didnt realize how insane they were until the events of 9/11 woke us up.

And just so you know, radical Islam murdered 3000 Americans before we invaded Iraq. So your argument that America in Iraq is the root cause does not stand. They were nuts Loooong before we stepped foot in Iraq.

Right, radical Islam is nothing new. We just never realized how extensive it was until after the 9/11 attacks. Iraq had nothing to do with them being radicals like some say, they were f'ing nuts thousands of years ago too!

Something needs to be done IN Islam to fix it. It's the religion and how its taught in the Middle East that is causing all the issues. They live and die by Islam. There needs to be a HUGE out cry from moderate Muslims to let the Radicals know they will not tolerate the high jacking of thier religion.

But it won't happen, because i think most moderate Muslims are scared to death to speak out, for fear they might be targeted by the radicals.

I've got the solution!! I heard today that the President of Iran, who is in the US for the big UN conference, declined an invitation to some dinner/get together hosted by the UN because he didnt want to be around the Alcohol that was being served at the function. I guess Muslims are anti booze, so he declined.

So i'm thinking we drop millions of bottles of Bud Light over these radical Islam countries. Maybe the booze will freak them out and force them to commit suicide in the name of Islam!! :zup: :rotfl:

someday when you have some free time, read Frank Zappa's book. Cant remember the name. Its sort of a life story but he gives his opinion on a lot of things. One thing he talks about is using "pork" grenades against islamic militants. Not a bad idea.

Actually Skipper, we encouraged it in the 1980's...history is a bitch I know...

-spence

Encouraged it? Wait a minute... 1980's has something to do with Afghanistan, Russia, and communism eh?

Skippy, what I was trying to say is that since Iraq more Muslims are practicing 'radical' Islam. For example, kids are being taught about the Koran and to do the Jihad thing. Where before they were probably taught how to be a good Muslim. Since the invasion of Iraq, we have unified the Arab-Muslim world, and I'm sure the other than Isreal the US aren't the good guys in the Middle East. Hence, in Egypt, the most expensive dates (fruit) are called Bin Ladens. Remember that Saddam wasn't liked by many Arab countries, but now that he's gone they convene to fight to free Iraq from US control. And since we're not willing to leave Iraq because President Bush feels Iraqi troops haven't received adequate training, there will be more practices of radical Islam. Personally these Iraqis must be dumb because we've trained them for a while.

That doesn't explain the 1979 Iranian Hostage Crisis too well. Guess the 70's must have been encouraging for them too. Ever think maybe their hatred is driven by their perversion of Islam and its not all Americas fault?

Is islam really a peaceful religion? Anybody here ever read an unbiased version of the teachings?

Bad news. kids were being taught to do the Jihad thing long before our invasion of Iraq. The "practices of radical Islam" as you call it (We call it Terrorism) have been going on since before Bush was elected. Did you know that? And what Arab couintries are fighting to free Iraq from American control? Do you have any idea how much support Arab nations have provided in the fight against Terrorism?

Bring back the Crusades :nailem:

The Holy Grail is oil.


Mad Max needs some fuel.

No but is it safe to say more kids are being taught to do so? I mean kids born into tribal groups as the Taliban, Hezbollah and Hamas are undoubtly being taught the extremity of Radical Islamic teachings. Using examples from history to support my explanation: During the Vietnam war, towns were taught French one day and when the French were ousted, they learned Communism and when they left town they learned Democracy and when the commies came back they learned how to be commies. Things swing back and forth. I believe that since the on going war in Iraq they have no choice but to learn 'Radical' Islam.

There is no doubt that 'Radical' Islam has existed before Iraq, but was it as dominating as today? That's my question!

Well let me see... There were reports of students from Lebonan/Syria/Saudi Arabia who are filthy rich doing suicide car bombings at checkpoints in Iraq. The war in Iraq aren't predominantly against the radicals originally from Iraq but also radicals or converted radicals from other countries. Bottomline it has become a Jihad convention. I highly doubt there were much if any terrorism in Iraq under Saddam's control. For every Terrorist we kill in Iraq 2 or 3 more are born.

So using your logic, the United States should never go after Terrorists anywhere in the world, becasue by doing so, we will only create more. Is that your position? If so, then what do you suggest we do about Terrorists world wide? Especially in the Middle East. We have to do something, other wise they will run free and plan new attacks on the US. Doing nothing is not an option.

If we can't go after them, like i assume is your position, then what the hell can we do?? We tried ignoring them for years, and we ended up with 3000 dead Americans. Do you want to ignore them again? And just hope they'll go away??

And you need to understand that Iraq is not the root cause of these radical Islamists being nuts, the Terrorists you're seeing in Iraq, would be fighting and planning attacks even if the US wasnt in Iraq. You do know this right? These guys were not good little Muslims before we went to Iraq! They were freakin radicals Waaaay before we even had plans to Invade Iraq!

well spoken skip
 

every second a baby is now born.

things to consider..is that there are thousands
of americans abroad in foreign countries
and or christians ...like the italian Nun shot
in the back four times....

there are millions of Muslims in the US
and world wild of course
and some of them think
Osama rocks
and some will do his bidding.
the koran is morally corrupt.

the terrorists are already here.

"O Prophet! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding." (Surah 8:65)

"Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks [cut off their heads]; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); But (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others, but those who are slain in the way of Allah [for the cause of Allah]--He will never let their deeds be lost. Soon He will guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden which He has announced for them." (Surah 47:4-6)

Not very peaceful

I personally don't think Iraq is the root of cause for radical Islam before we invaded. The roots would be that Osama guy in Afghanistan who we've been chasing forever! Don't forget that the Clinton Administration has been chasing him for the USS Cole. Got him cornered in Pakistan, but we allowed Pakistan to harbor and refuge the SOB. Why didn't we go get him in Pakistan? And then all of a sudden, coincidentally when Saddam began to sell his oil in Euros instead of Dollars, weapons of mass destruction arised. You guys remember that? That was our trigger in the fire of Iraq. Well now, no weapons of mass destruction but we downed Saddam who got ejected out of court today, and a messed up Iraq goverment and society. Tell me Skip how is Iraq the root of cause when we have Osama in Afghanny, Iran harvesting Plutonium and Hezbollah in Lebanon. What you're saying if we have full control over Iraq all the other problems surrounding Iraq would magically disappear? There's focus elsewhere just not in Iraq who is one of the biggest oil supplier in OPEC.

Recite the Koran over and over because the Jihad part of it is becoming more and more popular amongs Muslim teachings. It was once a last resort in the name or Allah, now that they feel cornered it is their necessity to serve Allah.

Do we leave it alone? I believe we should because we are the problem in the Middle East. Let the people decide if they should take terrorist or the fulfillment route. Let's not anger them anymore and cause chaos, because like Raven annouced, "they're everywhere!" Even Mike Tyson I bet! We did our job and took Saddam out now let's get the F out!

That last post by Stormfish may have set a new record for the most factual errors in a single post! :fishslap:

MakoMike always got something to say because he's a Bush lover! Stick to chartering~

Stormfish: Are you actually saying to leave Terrorists alone to kill innocent Americans whenever they get they urge? I've never actually known anyone to come out and say that. Understanding that Terrorism is real and must be fought does not make a person a "Bush Lover", it only means they have common sense. When Terrorists attacked America many times be it the WTC (Twice) numerous embassy bombings, naval ships etc. etc. WE WERE NOT IN IRAQ. But if we leave Iraq now they wont do it again? How does that make any sense?

Mike, glad we can agree :cheers:

-spence

i say kill them all if they want to be terrorists for any reason....
right down to the last woman and child.

i don't care if they are white, black, chinese, italian, russian, iraqi, afghani
syrian,iranian,cuban or venezulan.....any nationality... if they want a war they die....period. F___ them all....
i'm over joyed to send them to the promised land.
even their dogs.

and that goes for any American that converts to muslim or any religion and wants to be a terrorist like that california creep
...known as the american taliban...shoot -em all and let allah sort them out....:nailem:

in fact.....shoot him with the biggest gun we have....splat!!

Convert to Islam or die.

Makes those annoying Jehovas Witnesses that come knocking seem not so annoying anymore.

didnt you get the memo? its convert to democracy or die.

Yep that Democracy is evil stuff.

so is my humor :hihi:

I`ve noticed your humour slowly returning since you got the vessel up and running :hihi: Good for you Nebe.

Let's bring it back! Disclassified intel report!
 

Holy Crap, this is what I was trying to say all this time...:rolleyes: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8004316/:
If the National Intelligence isn't a creditable source then I give up!

Click on 'Bush declassifies intel report' to view nightly news

Hardball's explanation
 

Uh Iraq weren't the Terrorists buddy!