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Karl F 10-11-2006 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by john hollenberg
That is true. anyone who knows me knows I never fish all night and never fish 2,3,4,5,6,or 7 nights a week.

Anyone who knows me knows what I think about seals.

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:wave: John..
anyone who knows you, is surprised you were home at the time of night you posted, and not headed out..
John sometimes forgets to go home.. :D

Slipknot 10-11-2006 05:13 PM
I've invested thousands of dollars on a brand new camper in 2003 and a campsite in Wellfleet year round in order to fish weekends and long weekends and have a little place of our own on Cape Cod. I am not happy at all with the seal population and the current fishless beaches. I am seriously considering selling it but the wife and kids don't want to, maybe we should move it to Rhode Island or someplace on a pond or lake somewhere. If it were not for the canal and using my little boat in B. Harbor, I'd have zero decent bass this year. I fished the beaches enough this year that I would think I would have gotten many keeper size bass, but the largest I hooked got taken by a seal:rocketem: I am sick of those searats. Maybe I'll just give up fishing:skulz:

capesams 10-11-2006 05:20 PM
Slip...perhaps it's time to put an addition onto your boat..say 10'.that'll get you the mile off the beach that's need these days.

NIB 10-11-2006 05:21 PM
Well if i was walkin down the road an i saw a Giant Bear that wanted to eat me i would turn around.
U guys need to push fisheries managment to do a study on the obvious impact the seals have on the striped bass an forage fish stocks.
I know in California they would cry foul but this is the northeast where the gortons fisherman is from.It's a different world where fish an fishing can directly impact the thinning economy in New England.Seals eat fish,all kinds of fish.Where have the herring gone in only a few yrs.
There has to be a way to hurd em up an ship em back to where they came from.Man has controlled nature before.it dosen't seem right to play god but in todays world things are different.The scales have been upset.The seal is king an has no predatory fears.Great White's don't play where they roam anymore..

MakoMike 10-11-2006 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NIB
.Where have the herring gone in only a few yrs.
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To the pair trawlers! :nailem:

Jenn 10-11-2006 06:42 PM
[QUOTE=Flaptail] I love the outer beaches, I treasure driving along the sand edge as the foam reaches up to me. I think the night sky on an open Atlantic beach is one of the most beautiful sights a man can ever be priviledged to see. Looking up at a new moon sky and seeing the milky way above your head in a wide swath of white in an onyx sky with stars visible just above the horizon, it takes my breath away everytime.

It's a lonely, desolate, haunted and mystical place where it could be 1698, 1898 or 2098 and it still looks the same, unchanged and constant. QUOTE]

:love: Flap if I werent very happily married I might have to start stalking you!!! ;) You certainly know how to capture (in words) what it feels like to be there....



Anyway fresh off a fishing trip from those parts and having the worst trip (fishing wise) of the year I am a bit depressed to say the least. and its funny that you guys mentioned the flatfish because I was just thinking the other day how when I was kid we would catch them from shore all the time and I cant remember the last time that I did! Sad.....

john hollenberg 10-11-2006 07:59 PM
I think a way to approach this from another angle would be to publicize that the Cape beaches are becoming unsafe from seal fecal contamination. How about an article Flap?

pops 10-11-2006 08:40 PM
:gorez: chum slick to attract sharks to the colony :hidin: did I just say that:devil2: lets get chumming:jump:

Skitterpop 10-11-2006 10:08 PM
More Than Meets The eye
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl F
Flounder, Fluke, Sand Dabs.. :drool:..
Pleasant Bay. Nauset Harbor, Mill Pond.. all abundant, years ago with winter fluke.. fluke in the summer, could get fluke off the beach almost all summer too, hence that nuiscance thing Flap had ;) but they was good eating.. Sand Dabs. and sand eels, in both Pleasant Bay, and out front off of Nauset..
the seals started showing.. some wintered over in both the Harbor, and Pleasant Bay.. yes man was invovled there too.. them pump rigs they brought in for clamming right around the same time.. wiped out a lot of them.. but the seals were more than happy to oblige in eating whatever came out of the hydraulics..
As the numbers of seals increased the flounder, fluke, sand dabs, and sand eels disappeared from the front beach, and the estuarys..
the sand eels were the last to go.. I remember even in the late 90's, 98-99.. you could go work the bars near the Chatham inlet at low tide and fill a bucket in short orde.. no more. Still got my CS rake a hangin in the shed.. (needs 2 tines relaced) in hope that I can someday use it again.
So..all the bait is just about wiped out, and smaller fish.. you would think the seals would move on.. no.. they just started targeting schoolies and snapper blue.. they have moved on to the larger ones now..

But, as far as the water.. I agree.. the crap from road runoff, and all the trophy mansions with the golf course type lawns, and huge septic systems right on the shore edge.. and the golf courses along the bay as well.. have to have some impact.. whatever happened to all the eel grass?.. and now chunks of the marsh itself, is dying...
Or.... somethings afoot and we don`t know what it is Mrs. Jones....


I only started salt fishing in late 97 but an area I like has no seals to speak of and the sand dabs, sand lances, and fluke are not there as they were in 97, 98, 99, and 2000...... methinks increased populations, more Mr. Chemical lawn treatments, sewerage leachings, natural cycles, acid rain (a name for many poisons), climate changes, etc. etc. has its dramatic effects as well..... though I agree that seals are the fisheries bane..... For Whom The Bell Tolls.... is here in many forms and sadly so...

Flaptail 10-11-2006 10:22 PM
[QUOTE=Jenn]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flaptail
I love the outer beaches, I treasure driving along the sand edge as the foam reaches up to me. I think the night sky on an open Atlantic beach is one of the most beautiful sights a man can ever be priviledged to see. Looking up at a new moon sky and seeing the milky way above your head in a wide swath of white in an onyx sky with stars visible just above the horizon, it takes my breath away everytime.

It's a lonely, desolate, haunted and mystical place where it could be 1698, 1898 or 2098 and it still looks the same, unchanged and constant. QUOTE]

:love: Flap if I werent very happily married I might have to start stalking you!!! ;) You certainly know how to capture (in words) what it feels like to be there....



Anyway fresh off a fishing trip from those parts and having the worst trip (fishing wise) of the year I am a bit depressed to say the least. and its funny that you guys mentioned the flatfish because I was just thinking the other day how when I was kid we would catch them from shore all the time and I cant remember the last time that I did! Sad.....

Jenn, picture this.... It's near midnight, the beach is deserted except for one vehicle, the windows and sun roof are open and the sounds of The Flamingo's "I only have eyes for you" and that haunting melody echos off of the towering clay cliffs with the sound of a gentle surf and the stars go on forever..........Hmmmm... sound interesting?

:smokin: :wave:

Skitterpop 10-11-2006 11:06 PM
[quote=Flaptail]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenn


Jenn, picture this.... It's near midnight, the beach is deserted except for one vehicle, the windows and sun roof are open and the sounds of The Flamingo's "I only have eyes for you" and that haunting melody echos off of the towering clay cliffs with the sound of a gentle surf and the stars go on forever..........Hmmmm... sound interesting?

:smokin: :wave:
What about the seals :call:

stiff tip 10-12-2006 03:38 AM
flap....you silver tonge devil.....smooos me

l.i.fish.in.vt 10-12-2006 06:47 AM
if you just do a little math, 6000 seals eating 50lbs of fish a day thats 30,000lbs of fish. if they started with tasty treats like juvinile fluke, flounder and sundabs that weigh six ozs or less thats a lot of fish each day.one of the last fish that i took home to eat had worms in the belly meat just like cod have,if i am not mistaken this is from seal crap.

Karl F 10-12-2006 07:02 AM
John, You are right about the parasites, they are showing up in the bass that have been taken from the beaches.. them seal poop capsules, are more than likely, the culprit, as is the case with the codfish.
When the flat fish #'s first started thinning, years ago, even in the late eighties, we (locals) knew there was a connection to the seals.. several started wintering over way up in Pleasant bay, and were observed nosing the flats out of the mud in the ponds up that way.
As the easier pickings dwindled, and the seals numbers increased, they started targeting the bigger fish.

Jenn 10-12-2006 05:14 PM
I also like it when a seal beaches itself and a ranger has to stand there and baby sit so people wont try to touch it......:uhoh:



Oh and Flaptail you can leave the Flamingos at home...mother natures music is far better (waves).

Karl F 10-12-2006 05:29 PM
Great White , :claps: Chowing seals on the inside, So. Beach, Chatham today.. confirmed by my co-workers brother who works at Outermost Marine.. heard from several others.. harbor master is in the area, ... wonder if it will make the paper:huh: :hs: ;)....
But.. Great News!

Christian 10-12-2006 06:58 PM
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got one!!!
just kidding..

there were 5 washups today on bout 7 miles of north shore beach. usually a bunch of dead ones this time of year.

gone fishin 10-12-2006 07:42 PM
A couple of big seals on PI today. DEAD. God bless the lobstermen:faga: Both had a bullet hole in the head.:cheers:

Check the surf at PI at 3 PM today. Had to hustle off as the surf reached the foot of the dunes. Driven hard by last nites storm. Those waves are a good 10 or 12 ft. high.

Slingah 10-12-2006 07:49 PM
fished the Race today with BigFish.......seals everywhere:yak4:
it's just not worth it.........:skulz:

BigFish 10-12-2006 08:02 PM
I knew I would find you in this thread Matt! Man they were everywhere today.....they suck!:wall:

zimmy 10-13-2006 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Flaptail
For years we would drift sandeels with egg sinkers over the bars at Bearses, Handkerchief and the other rips east and south of Monomoy. If you didn't catch a bass on the drift most often you would catch a fluke or another small flounder species known locally as Windowpane. Often a seal would come right up in the face of the rip with a flounder in his maw and many many many times they would rip the flounder or fluke you caught right off your hook as it came to or just under the surface.

Windowpane were so abundant while surfcasting Nauset and Monomoy as to be almost a nuiscence some nights. I don't know about Nauset as I don't fish there often enough anymore but in conversation with friends who frequent the place (KarlF any input here?) there just ain't anymore. Also there used to be a spring run of small Pollock along Monomoy and Nauset and you don't see them anymore.

But as I have written many times in my columm in OTW, a half mile off of Nauset with 300 feet of wire we could catch all the bass we wanted after tuna forays and the bait was there but no Mr. Piniped.
Look, I agree that the seals have an impact, especially locally the way you desecribe. But the flounder situation in particular is the same up and down the coast. Western LIS, outer banks, etc all saw the same trends where you could catch coolers full of flatfish and now they don't exist. All the environmental factors you stated also play a part. I am sure the fishing is going to be affected where the seals are, but I do not think the presence of seals can be identified as the main factor in the lack of flounder.

Adamfishes 10-13-2006 02:04 PM
Makes me really sad that I was born in 80. Atleast I have lived through techno music and hydroponic inventions. But seriously I love fishing so much is it ever going to be anywhere close to the way it was in the 70s? Is it possible?

Adamfishes 10-13-2006 02:55 PM
http://www.livescience.com/animalwor...ass_seals.html

tattoobob 10-13-2006 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Adamfishes
Makes me really sad that I was born in 80. Atleast I have lived through techno music and hydroponic inventions. But seriously I love fishing so much is it ever going to be anywhere close to the way it was in the 70s? Is it possible?
Alot of things may change but with all the 14 to 24 inch fish around in 10 yrs. it is going to be unflippinbelievable, the back beaches my still suck but everywhere else is going to be smoking

Slipknot 10-13-2006 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy

but I do not think the presence of seals can be identified as the main factor in the lack of flounder.

I bet they are the reason in Pleasant Bay, I have zero doubt about it.

Karl F 10-13-2006 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Slipknot
I bet they are the reason in Pleasant Bay, I have zero doubt about it.
Mill Pond too.. I sat in a friends tin boat there several winters back, freezin, trying for winter flounder (which we used to get a bucketfull in short order on a Sunday afternoon).. and watched the sea rats chewing on them instead...

ProfessorM 10-13-2006 06:33 PM
I don't even waste my time going to Pleasant Bay in my tin boat anymore. According to my records in 97 I took 70 36" plus fish in my tin boat in a 2 month span from Minister's point to Strong Island. You would be hard pressed to get 7 now adays. Too long of a drive to get skunked now. Real shame as it was perfect small boat fishing and free parking at the numerous dirt ramps. P

afterhours 10-13-2006 06:44 PM
do expired seals sink?:nailem:

mountaincaster 10-14-2006 07:57 PM
Lady, you kinda scare me .......and I like it. semper fi


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