This is why I HATE the internet. It's not going to happen, I made the call. Don't know how something that would have been just plain and simple a nice thing for guys to get some exposure and the site to get some recognition turns into a bitch session on theorizing how much money OTW would make, stupid in plain english.

nothing saying we can't make our own Movie....

even if it's a you tube ....video

OMG..someone asked a ? and another post's a reply and everyone has a heffer....The tides have alway's moved in two different directions,that's just the way life is.

It would only be fair if OTW would place a banner add on their site for S-B.
Lets face it . It would not cost them a penny. Both sides benefit.
Your acting like it's CS fault it is not. It is more like a spoiled child not getting his or her way.

w.a.t.

Thanks for making the decision for S-B.
A simple poll (yes or no) would have given an answer.

It's up to you guys. I think it is a shame, that with the quality of work you all do to have it showcased on TV would be an apt vindication of what you all do. I don't need it to be a showcase or infomercial for S-B (sure a little mention would have been nice :hihi: ) but YOU guys are the artists, YOU guys would be the "stars"... So that's all up to you.

If its off then its off - we'll move on again to PlugFest. I think some of you missed an opportunity to have your craft shown in a different light on a different medium. But not exactly the end of the world either :lasso: :wiggle: Your work still speaks for itself here and in the water - where it counts....

I vote no.

Last time I checked this site didnt need any "press" We run plenty of raffles etc to raise dough to keep lights on.

Will I also be chastized for my opinion as CS was?

If your work speaks for itself, dont interrupt it :)

so, is this now a poll?
 

NO, but, Thank You..

A lot of different reasons, after some long thought.
None of which have anything to do with the finacial affairs of OTW, or OTW/TV, I am sure they make a handsome profit, but, after all, they are a business, and the bottom line, is the bottom line, last I checked, it was the American way.

As for being an Outcast, I've always worn the badge, with Honor :D

Nothing about the money or a raffle, just thought it would be nice to show some of the great work by the guys here - that's all. And not that the work needs to be shown on TV - just thought it would be nice... :bshake:

CS on the otherhand is a greedy, tightwad. Just selling off one of the Norris squids or hiw wooden atoms would get him three years of OTW maggie :tooth: :bshake: :rotfl:

Chastized, no absurd yes.

OTW is a business and they didn't come to me I went to them.

I find it totally absurd that what they make from 11 minutes of film time is the big discussion when it was done to simply help the site which through more membership possibly generated by the exposure could lead to added revenue for John to keep this place at the level it is. I was wrong I guess.

So, I guess maybe we could get back to debating if John would allow members to sell there stuff for "parts" money then? That discussion is okay. What part of the "parts" money would come back to John or each of us that are registered memebers for that? Hmmm. interesting thought!

Or how about sponsors spamming the hell out of plug buildiing threads with new colors or "new" designs which are actually rip-offs of Gibbs and others and thereby, by ripping off the design, be able to make a profit from that? And shouldn't that spam be on the sponsor's forum?

%$%$%$%$ plugfest and all that goes with it. I know I asked if anyone minded but I didn't think it would get this absurd. What a waste of time.

spam

wow that was aimed at me thanks steve.

I thought posting the stuff would be appreciated by guys. It's a thing that not many get to see. I'll delete every picture I ever posted here if you guys think it's spam.

:bsod: :shocked: :eek: chill a little ok Flap, please don't take it all so serious.

well this thread sure went down the crapper, I hope we can all move on from this and look forward to plugfest. I hope Flap can get past this and come to plugfest as he would be sorely missed if he doesn't go. :(

Salty, no need to delete pics
maybe if people think it's more appropriate, maybe post them in the sponsors forum:huh: I don't know. I know I like seeing the different colors and stuff, it is a little much seeing rows and rows of plugs so maybe those are over the top, I don't know.

you guys want this thread flushed?

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...6&d=1111170429

Like I said Bruce it's something not alot of guys get to see. I put that stuff in the plug forum because #1 those aren't "sponsors specials", #2 people keep asking for pics, and #3 because I thought posting stuff like the golden Fire thread was about showing stuff new and neat. THOSE AREN'T EVEN FOR SALE fwiw.

I'm done in here. And I'm not throwing potshots like others. Delete the pics please, delete all the threads if you want. I'll never show pics again in this forum if that's what you guys WANT. I could care less. It takes time out of my day to do this stuff. %$%$%$%$ this

I think we should take a step back from the negativity in this thread and not take it so damn seriously. Have a little fun & cumbaya and forget the negative for a little while. Come to plugfest to ENJOY yourselfves a bit.


Remeber the Twinkies

Thanks,

John

Flap relax dude. you asked a question folks responded. Name calling and getting into this sponsor this and that sponsor that is just making you look funny bud. I know you tried to do a good, but it was one that most folks didnt want done. Let it be :wave: No need to get all wound up about it man. You know what they say, no good deed goes unpunished :smokin:

funny absurd. You ask and opinion. and mine is not the same as yours, so my view is absurd.


On another note, too coold to fish night will have the girls gone wild crew there with a few models :smokin: that ok with everyone???



And the twinkies will be mine once again this year!!!

"KUMBAYA" is good....Works really well on some of the sissy fly fishing sites....Before ya all know it you will be...:lm: As someone who runs a site like this with a slightly different avenue, I can tell you that the bigger the site gets, the harder it is to please everyone....I think the simplest, easiest thing is take a poll or vote and go from there...:cheers:

Speaking of Sissys - Is that YOU Jeff :buds: :bshake: :hihi:

Plugfest/s-b.com and OTW are a great mix.
 

Its good for s-b.com and good for OTW, which is the only mag that truly covers this area day in and day out. Thanks for the effort Flap and dont discourage OTW. No one else here will agree with Capesams assessment fo what should be.

well Swimmer
 

i was kinda... hopin an wishin for a Striped-Bass style yaught :boots:

yeh! it's that spaminator from below the eastum rotery..the very same one who paints his t-nails to match the colors on his rod wraps.Although I will admitt,,there must be something to it cause he does catch a few fish from time to time...naaa! couldn't be a new sharpie trick......or could it:err:

mike, that wasn't for you.

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Or how about sponsors spamming the hell out of plug buildiing threads with new colors or "new" designs which are actually rip-offs of Gibbs and others and thereby, by ripping off the design, be able to make a profit from that? And shouldn't that spam be on the sponsor's forum?

wow??? :huh: just sharing dude...we're passionate builders too...

Ah winter time NIB Bliss...
Lets just make fun of the dog killer.

Nah Don he's pointin his gun at me with his cheap 2 year old potshots like yesterday's.
Since the potshots were public so will the reply be...

Flap if you only knew the time that was put into this project and the money it would close your mouth on the spot. No doubt you saw the blem I sent to George. If you did then you would have seen it is NOT the same as any Gibbs stuff currently and the lip style is copied off a 1950 swimmer which ANYONE with half a brain will tell you swims way better than any on the market today. I have tested EVERY single bottle swimmer on the market that I could ever find made. Each has it's own benefits and issues. MY swimmer is nothing like a current Gibbs swimmer in that it is weighted COMPLETELY different both in the tail weight and in the belly weight. ALSO I put squid eyes on it...which not a single time I have ever seen on another bottle swimmer. Yep I used almost the same profile..and converted it to the Fathead stuff too. I still don't see anyone doing anything like that either. So you can keep your comments to yourself on that one sir.

The pictures have ALL been deleted on the site. GONE. I will not ever post a picture in here again. Only in sponsors SPECIALS which none of these were. I only was posting the stuff because guys told me that they liked seeing the stuff. It's a glimpse of a world that not too many people EVER get to see. I don't mind sharing alot of stuff. The pictures respresent hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of work. Funny I don't see any other guy posting stuff like this to give guys an insight on machines, plugs, how to's, tricks, or what it takes to bring this stuff to market. Cripes your bitchin about some stuff that isn't even for sale nor will it be either.

Like others have said this thread has turned into the Oprah show. Pretty friggin childish. I didn't bring it up about otw and what they make. I just pointed to the fact that they make big $$ and anyone who thinks they don't make big bucks on that stuff is pretty naive. If otw wanted to go film it then hey great but why not throw sb a bone at the same time. SB paid for the hall, sb guys run it, and John got bills to pay too so why not. Don't shoot the messenger I said already I wasn't going so it made no difference to me. Who cares like someone said earlier.

And Steve I got one final thing to say.... I really think you owe me a public apology for the potshots. If you had a problem with anything I did you sure know where to find me as does anyone else. I've got nothing else to say to you until I see an apology.

Take care I'm done here and won't be baited into anything else so save your shots for someone else too. I think you should grow up a little though and go to plugfest cuz everyone wants to see you and fart your beens too...

My life changes this week pal. For the good or the bad I won't know for a while and I'm on pins and needles every day til I do know...but I gotta say there's more important chit to worry about than this stoopid ass chit. Life's way too short.

See you guys.

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how about spamming OTW all over S-B all the time.
Not that Im going, but I dont like having my photo taken or being on film.
Esp. not at a social event
Not everybody needs or wants to be a hero

Crap like this that makes me not even want to go to these events..Takes the FUN out of it...^%$#@

I HAVE POSTED AN APOLOGY, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT???????

It's over.

$$ would be nice :)

ok I thought this thread was done
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