Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/index.php)
-   The Scuppers (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/forumdisplay.php?f=22)
-   -   WTF is going on in Boston? (http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=37948)

stripersnipr 01-31-2007 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Thomas (Post 457537)
There's no doubt we could "Monday night quarterback" this issue to death, if not done already. It's like saying the interference call against the Pats was wrong. It's done, theres nothing we can do from it other than LEARN!

How many dummy devices need to be destroyed before something actually goes off?

It's a judgement call. None of us (that I know of) were there when this happened. I know that if I arrived on a scene like this, I'd be taking extreme caution too. Blame it on whoever you want, Bush, terrorism..whatever. Like I said, I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Unless we know the particulars from people on scene and investigators (which we will probably never see) we need to keep something in mind here. They acted in OUR best interest. They were out there protecting us.

A beautiful quote from "A Few Good Men"

Lt. Weinberg: Why do you like them so much?
Galloway: Because they stand upon a wall and say, "Nothing's going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch."

Believe it or not, folks, MOST cops feel this way...I know I do!

Have a good night and enjoy your sleep. Someone out there (Cop) is trying to protect you.

Amen, If we could divert some of this anger away from the people who are looking out for us and direct it at those who truly wish us harm, we'd all be safer for it.

UserRemoved1 01-31-2007 08:45 PM

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...EgL21qAJmvKw--

The devices in question...

sok 01-31-2007 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 457490)
Yeah, they should've just ignored the unidentified electronic devices attached to bridge supports, idiots. :fishslap: How dare they try and protect the city from Terrorism.

From what I understood it was "attached" about 12-15 feet up on one of the posts that supports 93 above Sullivan Station and the commuter rail.
(There is I-93, and the commuter rail, and the orange line and nothing else there)
Longfellow Bridge, the BU bridge, Tufts NE med Center.
Stunt? Not funny.
I actually sent a road tech to Memorial drive & BU bridge as they shut it down today. Black suburbans.
The MA S.P. are usually in blue & gray.

Nothing happened so it's all Bush's fault for the "the terror frenzy"
IF something happened I'm sure that would have been Bush's fault too.
Right?

Bill L 01-31-2007 09:14 PM

Quote:

How many times do you see an extra cruiser at a construction site doing nothing? And as a matter of fact, how come we're one of the few states that uses cops as flag men on road construction?
Hey Dip%$%$%$%$, this isnt a courtesy of the public, the Contractors have to HIRE off duty officers. And its done for safety reasons

sok 01-31-2007 09:33 PM

From what I have seen the extra cruiser on the site is the one with the radar gun.
It's the third one a mile down the road that will pull you over.
At least on the Mass pike.
And the contractors have to hire a UNION police detail in MA.
Because it's Massachusetts.
And the UNIONS say so.
Argument for another thread/day.

(Ever have you life threatened because you not in a union? I have. More than once.)

TheSpecialist 01-31-2007 10:20 PM

Hey SOK let's not make this a union bashing thread alright.


Nevemind all the cops that had to stay late and cover shifts, but what about the doctors, nurses, and ambulance drivers who were told to wait around for a possible catastrophe.

spence 01-31-2007 10:23 PM

Yup...

-spence

Saltheart 02-01-2007 12:16 AM

I can't believe an organization would do this without informing local authorities ahead of time. Someone had their air supply cut off by their bum cheeks on this one.

I predict the city lawyers will look for some violated city ordinance and if they find one , Turner will get a huge bill to cover the cost of the response.

Anyone who thinks a cop would not approach this sort of device with caution in 2007 has the same brain oxygen deficiency as the people who put the devices around the Hub. This is not like a waterballoon with the consequences being wet pants. If they were bombs , someone dies. i'd be very cautious if I were sent to investigate.

Also the idea that after finding one was a hoax , they should just ignore the rest is pretty shallow. . Is there a better way to get a real IED past security procedures than to flood the area with dummy decoys?

Anyway , I hope it costs the network 100 million. You want to make money with advertising stunts ...fine. pay the piper if you're too stupid to do it right.

UserRemoved1 02-01-2007 05:13 AM

Someone had their air supply cut off by their bum cheeks on this one.

For sure Saltheart.

They made an "arrest" overnight also.

likwid 02-01-2007 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripersnipr
Yeah, they should've just ignored the unidentified electronic devices attached to bridge supports, idiots. How dare they try and protect the city from Terrorism.

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THEY WERE IGNORED!

Good job.

I just wanted to be clear here since the old age is showing around these parts. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saltheart (Post 457640)
Anyway , I hope it costs the network 100 million. You want to make money with advertising stunts ...fine. pay the piper if you're too stupid to do it right.

I guarantee that scaled, it'll cost taxpayers more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 457620)
Nevemind all the cops that had to stay late and cover shifts, but what about the doctors, nurses, and ambulance drivers who were told to wait around for a possible catastrophe.

Dude they have this awesome concept in hospitals and trauma units.
Its called "shifts".
You can get hurt any time of day and they'll have the proper care waiting for you.
They have another FASCINATING device. Its called a pager. If you need someone to call you you just call this.. "pager" and it beeps at them with the number! I know, revolutionary. You can thank me later. :D :hihi:

TheSpecialist 02-01-2007 08:15 AM

Likwid having worked at Brigham & Women's hospital I know how it works, and I know a couple of nurses who work 12-8, and were told they had to stay. You see that when you go to the ER, you usually sit around waiting very lengthy amounts of time to be treated,unless you are bleeding to death. Most hospital er's are vastly understaffed for the amount of cases that present themselves at a given time. Hospitals have emergency plans in place for large scale catastrophes which generally entail forcing shifts to stay, calling in personnel that are off. Maybe the old age is showing on this board, but maybe the younger generation is what's wrong with this crappy world. I mean you don't see us running around killing each other , shooting up schools and such, all these damn video games are making them soft, go out and shoot some hoops for godsake... :rollem:

UserRemoved1 02-01-2007 08:29 AM

I'll say one thing. WZLX has not stopped talking about this all morning since 5:30 when K&M come on.

Least I won a free T Shirt today :D If anyone heard I correctly answered the question on the superbowl flush. Trivia hijack...The amount of sewerage that will be flushed during 1/2 time on the superbowl will be equivalent to 39 minutes of water that goes over Niagara Falls :bl:

likwid 02-01-2007 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist (Post 457672)
Maybe the old age is showing on this board, but maybe the younger generation is what's wrong with this crappy world. I mean you don't see us running around killing each other , shooting up schools and such, all these damn video games are making them soft, go out and shoot some hoops for godsake... :rollem:

Yeah, I know, you guys aren't shooting up schools.
You're running around starting pointless wars we can never win (TWICE in one generation! Good job!).
Destroying countries with the almighty dollar.
And making it impossible for the 'youth of today' to get ahead.

The Dad Fisherman 02-01-2007 08:36 AM

I don't think the problem is what they looked like......they could have been teddy bears for all anyone cared. Its the Locations these idiots chose. Ever since 9/11 we've been hearing about the possibility of having our bridges attacked and these knuckleheads put these all around the bridge abutments. they should have just put a couple on the LNG tanks and called it a day.

If you see dozens of similar looking devices, whether they look like toys or cartoon characters (face it, They aren't going to look like an Alarm Clock taped to Road Flares), a bell has to go off and it needs to be looked at.....Unfortunately thats the day and age we live in.

I personally think Law Enforcement did exactly what they are supposed to in a situation like this....Proceeded with caution and made sure everyone was safe.

The last thing I would have wanted to hear was that this officers last words were "Aw Look, its that cartoon character Ignignokt from Aqua Teen" BOOM and he's all done.

Like our Grandparents have always said "Better Safe Than Sorry"

Quote:

Originally Posted by spinncognito (Post 457531)
What gets me is that it took ALL FFFFING DAY to figure it out. They actually blew up several of these LITE-BRITES! Why did someone NOT do a simple internet search on that character? The city/state wasted THOUSANDS of OUR tax money on something most fourth graders :think: could have figured out in a half-hour. WTF!


Adamfishes 02-01-2007 08:55 AM

ter·ror·ism – noun - the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

The state of FEAR. Guess who is winning the war on terrorism?

Slinger 02-01-2007 09:14 AM

" An arrest was made overnight." Was it Ted Turner? Nope! Was it the COO of the carton network? nope! Was it the publicist that ran the campaign? Nope! It was some poor schmuck near Boston that took on a job so he could afford to live! Typical!
Slinger

likwid 02-01-2007 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slinger (Post 457700)
It was some poor schmuck near Boston that took on a job so he could afford to live! Typical!
Slinger

Nope, not even.
They were part of the unpaid street team hired by marketing to put them up. They typically get no compensation other than free tickets to see the movie.

So basically all they arrested were a bunch of fans of the show.
Good job.

stripersnipr 02-01-2007 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slinger (Post 457700)
" An arrest was made overnight." Was it Ted Turner? Nope! Was it the COO of the carton network? nope! Was it the publicist that ran the campaign? Nope! It was some poor schmuck near Boston that took on a job so he could afford to live! Typical!
Slinger

Yeah, These guy's are patsys for sure. But Menino came on the news this morning and pretty much said the same thing. These guy's deserve some punishment but it shouldn't be and wont be much. Menino is aiming for the higher ups as should be the case.

fishpoopoo 02-01-2007 09:53 AM

they were in 10 cities for two weeks, but that doesn't really help if most of the folks in boston were unaware of the ad campaign.

post 9/11, i can see why the police response was what it was. just a sign 'o the times. wires and crap sticking out of objects placed on private and public property without permission= reasonably suspected bomb. no if's and's or buts.

now, turner broadcasting must be really happy ... they got more free p.r. for this program than they could reasonably expect.

of course, the third party marketing group that dreamed up this stunt (two young guys in their '20's i think) is in big doo doo with the mass attorney general.

for cnn, the fines/civil suit settlements will be just another marketing expense.

:laugha:

BrianS 02-01-2007 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by likwid (Post 457665)
THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THESE HAVE BEEN IN 10 CITIES FOR 2 WEEKS!

THEY WERE IGNORED!



and how sad that is...
I have all 4 seasons of the Aqua Teens and there is NOTHING better on TV to watch to get a laugh...

I cant wait for this movie.... Its the ultimate in BAD tv that is GOOD.... SO had... in fact, HORRIBLE, that its VERY funny.

I have a soccerball sized Meatwad on my desk.


Maybe the terrorists should watch the show to learn a thing or two. It could change their lives....

SUN POWER changes EVERYONE.

likwid 02-01-2007 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassturbed (Post 457730)
fartfartfartblahblahblah

"On the Moon, nerds get their pants pulled down and they are spanked with Moonrocks."

I <3 u Ben.
(Btw, I've been in Manhattan alot lately. :hihi:)

stripersnipr 02-01-2007 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamfishes (Post 457693)
ter·ror·ism – noun - the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

The state of FEAR. Guess who is winning the war on terrorism?

ummmmmm.......Dead terrorists?

likwid 02-01-2007 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrianS (Post 457732)
Maybe the terrorists should watch the show to learn a thing or two. It could change their lives....

They would learn that getting a 10 speed is easy... filling it with illegal substances and sending it across the border is not.

fishpoopoo 02-01-2007 10:05 AM

likwid, wtf r u doing in NYC? i was up in boston over the weekend.

there be no lobstahs in the east rivah. :laughs:

likwid 02-01-2007 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bassturbed (Post 457742)
likwid, wtf r u doing in NYC? i was up in boston over the weekend.

Eating and drinking at Otto? Whirlwind tours of the GOOD places in Chinatown? Having a great time! :bl:

MakoMike 02-01-2007 10:08 AM

Given the fact that this stuff was in a bunch of other cities for weeks before this , without any uproar, is going to make a pretty good case that the city of Boston and state of MA simply overreacted, and the people behind this are not guilty of anything and not responsible for any damages. If 9 other cities didn't panis before they put the things up in Boston, would it be "reasonable" to assume that the authorities in Boston would panic?

stripersnipr 02-01-2007 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakoMike (Post 457745)
Given the fact that this stuff was in a bunch of other cities for weeks before this , without any uproar, is going to make a pretty good case that the city of Boston and state of MA simply overreacted, and the people behind this are not guilty of anything and not responsible for any damages. If 9 other cities didn't panis before they put the things up in Boston, would it be "reasonable" to assume that the authorities in Boston would panic?

I think there's also an issue with intent. I don't think anyone believes there was any any intent to harm or even scare. The only crime I can see is some kind of misdemeanor for posting on public property. Blatant stupidity isn't a felony yet.

likwid 02-01-2007 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 457750)
Blatant stupidity isn't a felony yet.

Thank god for you! :hihi:

stripersnipr 02-01-2007 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by likwid (Post 457751)
Thank god for you! :hihi:

LMAO............coming from you I consider that a compliment, Einstein. :wavey:

likwid 02-01-2007 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 457755)
LMAO............coming from you I consider that a compliment, Einstein. :wavey:

You set yourself up right there chief. :rotfl:

The Dad Fisherman 02-01-2007 10:30 AM

This is what they are being charged with

PART IV. CRIMES, PUNISHMENTS AND PROCEEDINGS IN CRIMINAL CASES


TITLE I. CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS


CHAPTER 266. CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY


Chapter 266: Section 102A1/2. Possession, transportation, use or placement of hoax devices; penalty; law enforcement or public safety officer exemption


Section 102A1/2. (a) Whoever possesses, transports, uses or places or causes another to knowingly or unknowingly possess, transport, use or place any hoax device or hoax substance with the intent to cause anxiety, unrest, fear or personal discomfort to any person or group of persons shall be punished by imprisonment in a house of correction for not more than two and one-half years or by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than five years or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

(b) For the purposes of this section, the term “hoax device” shall mean any device that would cause a person reasonably to believe that such device is an infernal machine. For the purposes of this section, the term “infernal machine” shall mean any device for endangering life or doing unusual damage to property, or both, by fire or explosion, whether or not contrived to ignite or explode automatically. For the purposes of this section, the words “hoax substance” shall mean any substance that would cause a person reasonably to believe that such substance is a harmful chemical or biological agent, a poison, a harmful radioactive substance or any other substance for causing serious bodily injury, endangering life or doing unusual damage to property, or both.

(c) This section shall not apply to any law enforcement or public safety officer acting in the lawful discharge of official duties.

(d) The court shall, after a conviction, conduct a hearing to ascertain the extent of costs incurred, damages and financial loss suffered by local, county or state public safety agencies and the amount of property damage caused as a result of the violation of this section. A person found guilty of violating this section shall, in all cases, upon conviction, in addition to any other punishment, be ordered to make restitution to the local, county or state government for any costs incurred, damages and financial loss sustained as a result of the commission of the offense. Restitution shall be imposed in addition to incarceration or fine; however, the court shall consider the defendant’s present and future ability to pay in its determinations regarding a fine. In determining the amount, time and method of payment of restitution, the court shall consider the financial resources of the defendant and the burden restitution will impose on the defendant.

bart 02-01-2007 10:30 AM

once again Likwid knows everything about everything
 
I wish we could all be as smart as Likwid. then it would be clear to us all that objects placed under bridges are obviously part of some marketing campaign and we should never think that they could possibly be dangerous. :rollem:

fishpoopoo 02-01-2007 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by likwid (Post 457744)
Eating and drinking at Otto? Whirlwind tours of the GOOD places in Chinatown? Having a great time! :bl:

that is too effin funny. i spent a lot of time in Chinatown in Boston this weekend.

i have to say, i think the Chinese food in Boston is the best on the east coast, might even rival Vancouver. Boston is definitely better than NYC, hands down.

stripersnipr 02-01-2007 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bart (Post 457759)
I wish we could all be as smart as Likwid. then it would be clear to us all that objects placed under bridges are obviously part of some marketing campaign and we should never think that they could possibly be dangerous. :rollem:

And then blame it on Cops directing traffic.

likwid 02-01-2007 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bart (Post 457759)
I wish we could all be as smart as Likwid. then it would be clear to us all that objects placed under bridges are obviously part of some marketing campaign and we should never think that they could possibly be dangerous. :rollem:

SNOOOOOOORE

Go crawl back in your bunker and put on your tin foil hat.

likwid 02-01-2007 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinman (Post 457764)
Common sense has just gone completely out the window,same as at the airports where we are full body cavity searching 80 year old ladies from Peoria the day before thanksgiving.

Oh c'mon.
If they picked me out of the lineup with dark skin and a beard it'd be racial profiling even though racially I'm not even remotely close.

80yo women are more compliant.

3 flights in the past month and not once have I been picked up "extra screening" yet there's always little old ladies being screened? Go figure.

stripersnipr 02-01-2007 10:48 AM

No doubt there may have been some degree of over reaction but to think a Cop is going to consult his children when an unidentified object is found attached to a bridge is a little out there. What percentage of our population has even heard of this cartoon, let alone were aware of this marketing campaign? Do a Google search on "unknown object attached to bridge" and see what you come up with.

likwid 02-01-2007 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 457768)
"unknown object attached to bridge"

I found.... sun power....

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...pew/boston.jpg

stripersnipr 02-01-2007 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by likwid (Post 457773)

Google results

http://www.google.com/search?q=unkno...&start=10&sa=N

likwid 02-01-2007 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 457775)

Java is serious business.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:54 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1998-20012 Striped-Bass.com