In certain areas the NIMBY effect is certainly huge, especially in the densely populated Bos-DC corridor, but overall, there are plenty of places in the US that would gladly have a refinery or 20, but the US Bureaucratic red-tape & regs do not make it worth the effort.

You put in 2-3 years work to get all the licences & permits, and in the end it doesn't go through because you forgot to dot one little "i." This is the bigger problem. It is the same reason our country lags so far behind in the world of aquaculture.

NIMBY is understandable. Think of all the nasty emissions from these things. Would you want to be living next to a plant that spews benzene, a known carcinogen?

yeah, at 8 mpg towing you can here the meter running!!

On something like a fuel processing plant maybe. But like Flap pointed towards the Cape........... Cape Wind Farm is one example......

Up near me they are proposing a new power station. (in Brockton)
I am not sure if it is supposed to be oil or gas fired but do know that it will bring much needed jobs to the area as well as benefit the area tax wise.

Well a local business owner is fighting it tooth and nail. (NIMBY)

He is siting claims about heavy metals and other contaminants being released into the area. He tries to make people believe he is fighting for the City, not his business interest according to the article in tonites Enterprise. We'll see how this works out in the long run.

here's an example of NIMBY that we would probably all agree to.

right now, hydro turbines are all the rage.

they utilize tidal currents to generate electricity. kinda like how windmill farms use wind.

they are green in every respect ... except they happen to chop up aquatic life.

how many people here would allow such devices to be used to generate electricity ... if it meant that a few million striped bass or a good chunk of their forage get turned into chum?

(on the other hand, if it was 10,000 seals ...) :devil2:

taking the bus
 

wonder of I can fit all my gear on the bus to Narragansett? :wall:

Mr Electric
 

welcome to S-B brother...

just read this & shaking my head
 

on CNN about $4.00 per gallon for gas... ect.

they said stocks of gasoline have dropped off
for the last 12 weeks... in a row

making it the lowest it has been since since 1956

1956 :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

thats 50 years ago wtf????

Bassturbed - Yeah, Benzene. I can see it now, Joe Townie snuffing out his cigarette on the way into meeting where he'll complain about possible emissions.

People are full of chit.

It cost me $109 to fill the tank in van last week, now I leave my full time job to do the fishing academy in june & I almost don't make enough to get by on that. If these prices continue i'll be riding around Boston on my bike and fishing for carp in the charles river.....Not what I was planning to do.

they can put a wind turbine in my backyard. in fact if I could get the permits I'd do it my self.

Sounds like the Saudi's may have won the war on terror. I'm terrorfied at the pump- that's for sure.

This price-fixing is BS.

You would think the Oil Cos. with record profits would use that clout, cash, slush & hush money to build one little refinery somewhere in the US. We are such freakn sheep, we'll all keep moaning about prices and they'll keep the pipeline of supply tight. Whats to make them change? Another thought: You'd think after many years of having a "driving season" in America, inventory management would prevent/mitigate these gaps in supply. Gee, no again, what's the incentive and they'd give up profits.
I am ranting as I have to fill up to the tune of 400gal dsl at $3.plus at the dock soon..a freakn mortgage payment...on a soon to be lawn ornament.
IMHO
TT

In my opinion we don't have to look any further than ourselves to blame for this. We enjoyed really cheap gas for over twenty years and bought vehicles that use it excessively. Repeatedly the congress voted against higher cafe standards and no one cared. We keep our heat at 70 and our computers on all day. For better or worse we never really change now because of what the future may bring. Go back 3 years and people that drove hybrids were environmental wackos. 5 years ago the vice president said it is unamerican to have to conserve. Things can change in a hurry. Its a free market and the industries follow the market trends. Ten years from now fuel economy will likely be dramatically higher by percentage than today because the market will force auto companies to adapt. Reliability aside, its already why Honda and Toyota are growing and the American companies are scrambling. I would like to see us consider the future impact of a variety of issues, but that doesn't happen (fisheries is one of the biggies and 20 years from now drinking water will be a huge problem). In the words of my grandfather, its the way humans are....

oh, i thought some 'tard was gonna pipe up and blame it all on Bush. :vamp:

Nah, he's too easy a target :usd: I is not THAT much of a simpleton. But since you called my bluff...

The environmental law blame is catagorically incorrect. In the short term environmental laws would have caused higher prices. However, if stricter standards on consumption and such that envirnmental wackos called for 30 years ago were implemented we would have had price stability, more efficiency so less demand and greater supply. Markets kinda like stability. In the long run it woulda been pretty close to even on a cost. But you can't explain that, so thats why the markets have to take care of it as we will see in the next few years. Oh we would also spend a bit less on health care if the wackos had there way. But yeah its not Bushes fault. I think I am in the wrong forum...

Actually, I have reconsidered; its my wifes fault. If it weren't for her I wouldn't be 150 miles from the canal and use so much gas to drive. Actually if it wasn't for her I'd probably have a boat too and I would need a bigger truck to tow it so maybe its not all her fault this time :spam:

why hasn't one single new refinery been permitted in the last few decades?

if
 

our refinneries are still in such a mess....then our military or national guard should be assisting the process and not wasting their time and resources in IRAQ. When the hell are we gonna do something for AMERICA and not for every other country on the planet !!!

if they want our help....fine then pay us in oil. the thought of their government going on vacation for 60 days....is completely outrageous.

Now maybe the three auto makers in trouble (and being out gunned by hybrid vehicles) might need until 2020 to catch up to toyota's sales...
but not to implement hybrid technology now.... thats a done deal...

SO....to get our cars to get 35 miles to the gallon is one thing....
but to outfit them with the new batteries and make them hybrids
it's all been figured out. buy one of the suped up battery powered vehicles ( that started out as a hybrid and then got an upgrade so it's like a super electric vehicle....) and copy it... J H Christ....
there's way to many friggan excuses....!!! :wall:

one thing that hasn't been done yet....which could make a huge difference
in fuel consumption...over-all... is to make traffic lights smarter so that people are not sitting at redlights waiting for no one to cross the road.

yellowstone
 

if you watched the discovery channel on yellowstone....
and realize that the volcano underneath that area is big enough to END America.... then F president Teddy's plan of keeping it totally a wilderness area....and tap that resource to provide America with more power that doesn't require nuclear energy... and the resulting pollution.

this country could easily be run on steam and it would be clean !!!!!

not in my backyard, raven. :rotf2:

gee ben...
 

My left eye doesn't see that well anymore....
and since you can half way cross country
please tell me what secret eye formula you use. :chased:

You made me check. Boat going in today. Have to stop at the Sunoco.....50 gallons times 2.89 = AAARRGHHHHH $190.77

Lee

ouch. im only half of that and it still ain't no picnic

Folks can still pay the prices, when they can't then the prices will stop going up.:)

good point.
i just saw a piece on the news. walmart was down 4% and target was down 6.5% this past month... Thats HUGE.

So people are paying because they have to but they are sacrificing shopping. maybe the price war will be between retail and gas and not gas companies