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Adam_777 08-06-2007 06:47 PM

Well all I can say is I hope the Shark uses his two way shark communicator and relays to all the other white sharks in the ocean that there's some chubby seals on the cape to be had for brunch just about anytime probably without a fight.Just from reading these boards and hearing about the problems they cause for the surfcasters in the area I hope they all get eaten or at least bit in half.I can see the water in the cape as one big chumslick from seals filled with bluefish,stripers and white sharks.Maybe some of the chewed up seals will wash up with some plugs stuck in there faces so the fisherman can get their plugs back.All too funny IMO.:biglaugh: :biglaugh:

stripersnipr 08-06-2007 07:05 PM

My brother told me the chance of being killed by an Ostrich are greater than the chance of being killed by a Shark. I told him I doubted that because I've never seen an Ostrich where I fish.

Slipknot 08-06-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P (Post 512724)
The only thing that would have made this better is if Whitey had his snack in full view of a boatload of tourons who forked over big bucks for one of those lame "seal watch" cruises. :humpty:

LMAO :bl2:
reminds me of that time on the west coast they nursed a seal back to life and the day of the big release back to the wild, the seal goes in the water and out of nowhere a killer whale dvours it in front of all the shocked people:rotf3:


we need a great white shark smilie

Pete_G 08-06-2007 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 512946)
LMAO :bl2:
reminds me of that time on the west coast they nursed a seal back to life and the day of the big release back to the wild, the seal goes in the water and out of nowhere a killer whale dvours it in front of all the shocked people:rotf3:

It's too bad digital cameras with video were not as prevalent then as they are now... :bl2:

b5545 08-06-2007 10:46 PM

For the person that said Blue sharks don't eat seals... they're wrong....Blue sharks do indeed eat seals. They prefer temps of 44 - 60 degrees but will do fine in waters above 71 degrees.
The cape is full of blue sharks in july and august. They prefer coastal waters.
It might have been a great white but I still think it was a blue shark.
I caught a blue shark last year. about a 10-12 ft approx. 180lbs.
I guess we will never know what type it was unless someone sees it up close or catches it.

fishaholic18 08-06-2007 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by likwid (Post 512856)
You ARE aware that its illegal to screw with Great Whites?

You're kidding...:buds:
Clown..:bshake:

MAC 08-07-2007 03:30 AM

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For the person that said Blue sharks don't eat seals... they're wrong....Blue sharks do indeed eat seals. They prefer temps of 44 - 60 degrees but will do fine in waters above 71 degrees.
The cape is full of blue sharks in july and august. They prefer coastal waters.
It might have been a great white but I still think it was a blue shark.
I caught a blue shark last year. about a 10-12 ft approx. 180lbs.
I guess we will never know what type it was unless someone sees it up close or catches it.

Uhh, that isn't a blue shark bite...........

Slipknot 08-07-2007 07:33 AM

Mac, that pic is not the seal in the news, I grabbed that off the internet, I don't think harbor seals are that big, but maybe they are.

Blitzseeker 08-07-2007 08:05 AM

Seems most likely to be a white shark, though I understand that makos will whack seals when they get really big (the bluefish only serve as a snack at that point). I've seen very large makos right off Race Point in only ~15 feet of water, close enough to surfcasters to make them fill their waders if they knew.:shocked:

I'm certainly no shark expert, but I was not aware that blue sharks would take a seal, even the really big blue sharks.

JohnR 08-07-2007 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 512918)
My brother told me the chance of being killed by an Ostrich are greater than the chance of being killed by a Shark. I told him I doubted that because I've never seen an Ostrich where I fish.

:laughs: :hf1: :rotf2:

pistolpete68 08-07-2007 08:38 AM

Kayakers beware
 
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Rip Runner 08-07-2007 09:05 AM

B5545, Where did you hear that Blue sharks eat seals? I'm sure their has been few one offs, but seals are definately not on the blue shark diet. Also you won't really find a blue shark in waters under 50 degrees worldwide, you are more likely to find them in waters of 58-72 degrees. A blue shark that is 9 feet from the nose to the fork in the tail should weigh anywhere from 300-350 pounds.

If it wasn't a Great White in Chatham which it probably was, then it was a Mako. Like someone mentioned earlier, a big Mako will go after seals as well.

JohnR 08-07-2007 10:56 AM

Is it illegal to feed seals to sharks :huh: ?

Flaptail 08-07-2007 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl F (Post 515087)
Town's trying to claim it was a tiger shark...

They are Peesed that the folks went to the press too.. knew they would be...

Now.. today's update on CCTimes site...

Aggressive seals are causing a worry..

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pb...EWS11/70807005

Take note.. illegal to feed them.. people on the island are hand feeding them bluefish :doh: :whackin:

So..

who is breaking the law when the steal a fish of of your line?...:huh:
feelgooders might try to make that reach....

Tiger sharks are rarer than Whites around these parts and who really cares if it was a Tiger or a white? I think it was most likely a White, and it will happen again. How many last year Karl? 3 or 4 times I think it was. The more seals the more chances of it happening again. Those surfers on short boards should be wary. Sooner or later someone will have a close call or worse. Shark city here we come.

You have to wonder, this attack was witnessed. How many are not?

Sluggoslinger 08-07-2007 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Runner (Post 515060)
B5545, Where did you hear that Blue sharks eat seals? I'm sure their has been few one offs, but seals are definately not on the blue shark diet. Also you won't really find a blue shark in waters under 50 degrees worldwide, you are more likely to find them in waters of 58-72 degrees.

I beg to differ. I've seen a blue shark attack our gill net in late december north of nauset within 5 miles of the beach. That water was colder than 50...

fishbones 08-07-2007 12:21 PM

If you spend enough time out at Monomoy, there's a chance that you'll see some Mako's and White's. It's the perfect spot for them to come in and feed. The bass and blues come in to forage on the bait that gets knocked around in the rips, the seals come in for the bass, then the sharks come in for the seals, bass and blues. I've seen Blue and Brown sharks finning up out there in pretty good numbers and have heard of several Mako sightings and there was a reported sighting of a Great White by a charter guy a couple of years ago. If the seals are moving up and in along the beaches, the sharks will follow.

ThrowingTimber 08-07-2007 12:28 PM

So what do you guys think? Big baits and what a 50vsw??? Some balloons and someone to swim the bait out???? :humpty:

Mike P 08-07-2007 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail (Post 515099)
Tiger sharks are rarer than Whites around these parts and who really cares if it was a Tiger or a white?

You have to wonder, this attack was witnessed. How many are not?

That's exactly Karl's point, if I'm reading him right. The town seems determined to convince everyone that it was a tiger, which are in fact very rare. "Just an isolated incident, folks, nothing to worry about, Orleans isn't shark city. Come and swim without worry, that blasted tiger shark is probably halfway back to NJ by now". When in fact there are probably at least a dozen whites currently working the seals along that stretch of shore--mostly off the beach, but anyone with any savvy knows they're there.

The feelgooders will side with the cute, cuddly seals over JAWS. It wasn't treehuggers that got whites protected in the first place :humpty:

2na 08-07-2007 01:04 PM

"Reports of seals waiting for a bluefish to be hooked and then simply pl#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g it off a line are common this year."

Where the f have these guys been for the last 4 years??? I've been plucked a good 50 times in the last 2. I'll bet Slip is in that ballpark too, and I know at least 7-8 other guys to boot.

It is going to make for an interesting year if sharks start feeding on a regular basis. I know I won't just snap it off, but play it and keep it up top. Livelining seal for shark. Maybe I'll get my plug back...

ridler72 08-07-2007 01:06 PM

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Blitzseeker 08-07-2007 01:15 PM

I was thinking the same thing about that line about how suddenly seals are stealing fish off the end of people's lines. "This just in....."

I surf fish about 1/4 as much as I'd like to and that has probably happened to me 25 times in the last three seasons.

MAC 08-07-2007 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 515023)
Mac, that pic is not the seal in the news, I grabbed that off the internet, I don't think harbor seals are that big, but maybe they are.

Ok, could be a harbor seal though. They can grow up to 250 or 300#s I believe and 6' long.

Flaptail 08-07-2007 05:02 PM

The tuna guys off Chatham have seen them ( GW's) numerous times this year off Crab, Great Hill and the Regal Sword. Someone had one come up in his spread just inside the BC Buoy last month.

Flaptail 08-07-2007 05:04 PM

Seals vs. Great Whites, kinda like Godzilla versus Barney

RIROCKHOUND 08-07-2007 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail (Post 515192)
Seals vs. Great Whites, kinda like Godzilla versus Barney

I love you, you eat me, we're happy snack foodee!

FYI B545 we released a 9'5ft Blueshark that went an easy 325, probably 350.. where you get your blueshark numbers is beyond me...

Jenn 08-07-2007 05:20 PM

Oh how I have waited for this day///////its like christmas!!!!!:lurk:

b5545 08-08-2007 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Runner (Post 515060)
B5545, Where did you hear that Blue sharks eat seals? I'm sure their has been few one offs, but seals are definately not on the blue shark diet. Also you won't really find a blue shark in waters under 50 degrees worldwide, you are more likely to find them in waters of 58-72 degrees. A blue shark that is 9 feet from the nose to the fork in the tail should weigh anywhere from 300-350 pounds.

If it wasn't a Great White in Chatham which it probably was, then it was a Mako. Like someone mentioned earlier, a big Mako will go after seals as well.


Blue shark diets include squid and many types of fish such as haddock, cod, pollock and mackerel. They are known to prey upon larger fish such as swordfish & tuna and may sometimes eat seals.

b5545 08-08-2007 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Runner (Post 515060)
B5545, Where did you hear that Blue sharks eat seals? I'm sure their has been few one offs, but seals are definately not on the blue shark diet. Also you won't really find a blue shark in waters under 50 degrees worldwide, you are more likely to find them in waters of 58-72 degrees. A blue shark that is 9 feet from the nose to the fork in the tail should weigh anywhere from 300-350 pounds.

If it wasn't a Great White in Chatham which it probably was, then it was a Mako. Like someone mentioned earlier, a big Mako will go after seals as well.

Rip runner send me your email and I will sendthe pic of a blue shark I got last year in may. The one i got was around 10 ft and weighed about 200 lbs. If you don't want to give out your email then I will tell you the site the pic is on.

b5545 08-08-2007 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by likwid (Post 512702)
Great Whites live primarily in cold water chasing seals.

Blue sharks don't eat seals.

South Africa average water temps: 9°C (49°F) to 20°C (68°F)

Monterey Bay average water temps are the same.

Those are two primary GW habitats. And full of seals.

Water temp at Nauset this past week: 71.

Blue sharks indeed eat seals.

A Blue shark feed mainly on squid and bony fish. Pelagic fish typically make up the base of the Blue shark's diet, such as swordfish, tuna, mackerel, cod, herring and sea raven. Seals, flatfish, pelagic red crabs and cetacean carrion are also a part of its normal diet. The Blue sharks will frequently attack fish that is already caught by long-lines or similar fishing gear, which unfortunately means that Blue sharks are often ensnared in the equipment themselves. The Blue shark is also known to sometimes eat sea birds and garbage.

MakoMike 08-08-2007 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl F (Post 515454)
[SIZE="6"]The sharks don’t travel in groups, and once a great white feeds, it won’t eat again for weeks, Capone said.

I guess they haven't been watching shark week. On last night show there must have been 20 Great Whites chasing seals off an Island in South Africa. :smash: Does that guy really think that a bite or two out a seal is going to keep a great white going for two weeks? :biglaugh:

Karl F 08-08-2007 03:26 PM

They Got what they needed Mike.. One expert to say it, and another to swear to it...

I think we all know, they only are fooling themselves.

MAC 08-08-2007 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by b5545 (Post 515262)
Blue sharks indeed eat seals.

A Blue shark feed mainly on squid and bony fish. Pelagic fish typically make up the base of the Blue shark's diet, such as swordfish, tuna, mackerel, cod, herring and sea raven. Seals, flatfish, pelagic red crabs and cetacean carrion are also a part of its normal diet. The Blue sharks will frequently attack fish that is already caught by long-lines or similar fishing gear, which unfortunately means that Blue sharks are often ensnared in the equipment themselves. The Blue shark is also known to sometimes eat sea birds and garbage.


I read the same page you did. It says mamalian carrion That means DEAD. We are talking LIVE seals here. Blue sharks, live seals, uhhhm.....NO

Mike P 08-08-2007 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl F (Post 515460)
I think we all know, they only are fooling themselves.

Naw, they don't believe it any more than we do--at least I know that Skomal doesn't. They're just being good soldiers.

And this Capone chick is probably some State Rep's cousin--and WTF is the Executive Office of Energy and Envirronmental Affairs??

MakoMike 08-08-2007 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Karl F (Post 515460)
They Got what they needed Mike.. One expert to say it, and another to swear to it...

I think we all know, they only are fooling themselves.

I can't help but think of the mayor in Jaws! :)

ridler72 08-08-2007 04:34 PM

" I'm pleased and happy to repeat the news that we have, in fact, caught and killed a large predator that supposedly injured some bathers. But, as you see, it's a beautiful day, the beaches are open and people are having a wonderful time. Amity, as you know, means "friendship". "


http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images...06/38/jaws.jpg

Rip Runner 08-09-2007 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sluggoslinger (Post 515118)
I beg to differ. I've seen a blue shark attack our gill net in late december north of nauset within 5 miles of the beach. That water was colder than 50...

How long have you been running a Gill Net and how many blue sharks have you seen after October? I'm sure in all your years not many. I'm not saying you didn't see a blue shark in late December, your probably did, but it was certainly a one off situation and most likely a very large fish to be able to sustain itself in water that cold. Blue sharks are not generally found in waters below 50 degrees. Are you sure you didn't see a Porbeagle which are common in Cape Cod Bay in Late December and like colder water?

Sluggoslinger 08-09-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Runner (Post 515624)
How long have you been running a Gill Net and how many blue sharks have you seen after October? I'm sure in all your years not many. I'm not saying you didn't see a blue shark in late December, your probably did, but it was certainly a one off situation and most likely a very large fish to be able to sustain itself in water that cold. Blue sharks are not generally found in waters below 50 degrees. Are you sure you didn't see a Porbeagle which are common in Cape Cod Bay in Late December and like colder water?

It was a blue no question about it but you are correct that it was a very large one. Actually the biggest I ever saw. I was standing next to the gunnel looking down at it biting a chunk out of a cod in the net. Pretty cool to watch. I'm not sure what the habits of these sharks are but I think this one was a resident of the area because we saw him every once in a while. We'd try to hit him in the head with the gaff to save our fish.

pistolpete68 08-09-2007 10:26 AM

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who said their were no tigers in the area ??

Flaptail 08-09-2007 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl F (Post 515454)
It's great, it's white, it's a shark!

By Amanda Lehmert
Staff Writer
August 08, 2007
CHATHAM – If you weren’t one of the Outer Cape beach-goers who caught a glimpse of a shark munching on a seal last weekend, you may have missed your chance to see the beast feast.

The shark seen off North Beach in Chatham Saturday night was likely a great white, state shark expert Greg Skomal concluded after examining the seal carcass and talking to witnesses, said Lisa Capone, spokeswoman for the Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs.

It’s rare, but not unheard of, to see great whites in the area, Capone said.

“Maybe two times a year they see carcasses that have this signature look of a great white shark attack,” she said.

That is good news for nervous swimmers – and bad news for shark enthusiasts. The sharks don’t travel in groups, and once a great white feeds, it won’t eat again for weeks, Capone said.

Show’s over. Go back to your beach blanket.






So, they admit it is a white.. what happened to the tiget theory they spewed yesterday?

And all's well folks, back on the beach.

Like my son said tho.. why they (Town Hall) worried?.. beach was closed for 39 days for two birds and they didn't care then.. why should they care if people stay away for sharks?

'good news for nervous swimmers" thats too funny, these bozos think it's the only one out there?

Mako927 08-10-2007 12:12 AM

Another article from Boston.com with "experts" claiming it was a Great White... similar to the CCT article Karl posted.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/cit...p1=MEWell_Pos3


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