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Tagger 01-11-2008 03:54 PM

Wish they would make the law the same right up the whole striper coast .. I didn't keep 1 fish this year . Makes me mad our conservation effort lining that guys pockets . I'm sure this video is just the tip of the iceburg ..

The Dad Fisherman 01-11-2008 04:05 PM

Stupid Question....but...How do they know what the Recreational guys takes are on a season. I keep a couple and never fill out paper work or talk to anyone.

How can they say how one season the Recs took this many pounds and the next season they took that many pounds....I really am curious as to how they arrive at the numbers

teaser 01-11-2008 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 554271)
Stupid Question....but...How do they know what the Recreational guys takes are on a season. I keep a couple and never fill out paper work or talk to anyone.

How can they say how one season the Recs took this many pounds and the next season they took that many pounds....I really am curious as to how they arrive at the numbers

They don't know but they need someone to blame and guess what? We're the someone's!

zimmy 01-11-2008 04:54 PM

Well, I've seen the video and I guess my overall perspective has changed over the years. 10 years ago this would have definately made me sick. Now I just look at it as a small scale commercial fishery by locals who make some of their living the way its been done for generations down there. I was actually suprised at how it didn't bother me at all. It is nothing compared to the volume in the haul a salmon boat takes. Nothing like the impact of shrimp fishery due to its bi-catch rate. Nothing compared to the rec. harvest on stripers over a season. The damage from deep sea dredgers... shark finners... there is an enormous amount of problems I have with fisheries, but I honestly am not exactly sure what is so disturbing about these videos. People that don't fish like to eat stripers. They have to be caught and the methods in the video do not seem like an unacceptable way to catch em... I'll watch em again and see if I missed something...

zimmy 01-11-2008 05:04 PM

I just read the regs. It is... annoying that the min. is 28" and that there were alot of dead shorts in there, but that is how fisheries work. It would be great if all netters were required to keep everything in the catch and count it toward the total, but I don't see that happenng. For perspective, each 1 lb of shrimp results in 10lbs of dead bicatch. I don't think the striper netting in the videos is anywhere close to that.

Bill L 01-11-2008 06:34 PM

Take all the fish from the striper cup (clubs, pins, weekly), pile them up on the beach, and whats the difference?

riverrat55 01-11-2008 07:55 PM

IS THAT EXTREME RED NECK FISHING OR WHAT???
SICK!!!!!!!!!!

179 01-11-2008 08:51 PM

You know living here in this area about 30-miles as the birds fly from this beach I can say that the fisheries management in NC is by far the worst I have ever seen. This area thrives on commercial fishermen and most of the politicians have roots back to it so whatever they want goes.

Jenn 01-12-2008 11:55 AM

I wont claim to know the statistics because I dont but I honestly dont see how 3 days a year of this is any worse than THOUSANDS of rec fisherman along the east coast year long???

I think there are a lot of people here that need to get over their holyer than thou attitudes over killing stripers.

Pt.JudeJoe 01-12-2008 12:20 PM

Here is a reply to a letter written about this to the NC environment people :

I got this message from the NCDFM:
Dear Mr. Schlesinger:

Thank you for your e-mail. The footage on the Youtube video appears
to be the commercial striped bass beach seine fishery that was opened
on Jan. 8, 9 and 10 and primarily takes place in Dare and Currituck
counties and yes, it is legal. Each beach seine operation is allowed
to keep 50 striped bass per day. The entire commercial striped bass
ocean quota is 480,480 pounds per year, divided by the beach seine,
gill net and trawl fisheries. This quota is set by the Atlantic
States Marine Fisheries Commission. The level of the quota is set to
allow the fishery to be sustainable

The recreational season in the ocean for striped bass is year round,
and anglers are allowed 2 fish per day at a 28" minimum. In 2006,
recreational fishermen landed approximately 2,112,024 pounds of
striped bass from the ocean.

As you can see, both user groups have an impact on the fishery, but as
I said earlier, harvest levels and methods are managed so the stock
will be sustainable.

Sincerely,
Nancy Fish

Raven 01-12-2008 12:24 PM

sincerely
 
Nancy FISH :jester:

Raven 01-12-2008 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 554271)
Stupid Question....but...How do they know what the Recreational guys takes are on a season. I keep a couple and never fill out paper work or talk to anyone.

How can they say how one season the Recs took this many pounds and the next season they took that many pounds....I really am curious as to how they arrive at the numbers


guess seems to be the operative word

Blitzseeker 01-12-2008 12:32 PM

My only problem with it is the method, not the numbers. It is the striper equivalent of longlining, which is an indiscriminent and wasteful method of fishing that kills lots of things other than what is targeted and legal, to no purpose.

If the season is open the season is open, but no need to whack dozens of shorts in the process of getting your fish.

On a totally different point....how sick is that that they can throw a line like that in and have a fish on every hook, many that are sizable, from shore? Fishing must have been sick down there.


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