facts are facts? depends on who is telling the story.

That was a good read. However, the fact remains that you need to watch the show. :hee:

I'll get the dvd, I promise.

Thats right baby, Arm and Hammer. You better believe it, :buds:here to wash away faulty logic for the common good

But he isn't really making a case for war, he's making the case that Saddam was a problem child.

Making the case for war requires making the case for urgency, that there are no other options. For Iraq the President had to prove Saddam was linked to al Qaida and harboring WMD.

We've now come to realize that there were really almost no facts the Administration was basing these assertions on, which diminished both the level of the threat and the urgency required for action. But like the good sheep we are, most of the Congress, most of the media and most of the American people fell right in line still shell shocked from 9/11.

The in effect made the war in Iraq not a "pre-emptive" war as it was billed, but rather a "pre-ventative" war in which we were stemming the problem before it really grew into one. The ethical issues with this notion of the use of US power are indeed extremely serious.

And that's ignoring the fact that a lot of Americans still believe the Iraq war was retaliation for 9/11!

-spence

A) because we have a giagantic and uncontrolled border.

B) because nobody can sell their house to move! :hihi:

-spence

that's it, I'm packing up my family and moving to VATICAN... wait, is that ....The Vatican..... where the Pope lives or is that some country that I've never heard of before that is apparently doing very well in relation to the USA??

I'd wager the per capita income is pretty high :faga:

-spence

more on the report
 

wow, USA 93 out of 100 (partly because of the proliferation of small arms owned by Americans and the threat to the population posed by the flow of drugs from across the Mexican border.)
, Iraq not at the bottom because of it's "relatively stable government "





The global check on every country recognised as an individual state or territory by the United Nations was carried out by Jane’s Information Group and is published today.

Christian Le Mière, managing editor of Jane’s Country Risk, which compiled the ratings, said: “The UK is a very stable country. But the top 20 or 30 countries are all stable. There are terrorist groups in the UK but there are effective security forces to deal with them. We took the July 7 bombings into account but the UK still came out very well.”

He acknowledged that it was a little unfair to put the Vatican at the top because it did not face the sort of threats and economic pressures of other countries. But under the rating system, which took into account each nation’s political structures, social and economic trends, military and security risks and external relations, the Vatican state scored an average of 99 out of 100. Sweden and Luxembourg were also rated 99, with the UK not far off, with an average of 97, but scoring 100 for its politics, economics and external relations.

Mr Le Mière said that the US had fallen down the scale, although it still scored an average of 93 out of 100, partly because of the proliferation of small arms owned by Americans and the threat to the population posed by the flow of drugs from across the Mexican border.

He explained that Iraq had managed to escape the ignominy of being in the bottom ten because, despite “extremely high levels of violence”, it had a “relatively stable Government” that controlled a significant area of the country and had good economic prospects. “Unlike Afghanistan, where – despite the presence of more than 40,000 foreign troops – the Government exercises poor control over large parts of the country and where 50 per cent of the economy is dependent on the opium trade,” he said.

The average Frenchwoman spends 20% of her clothes budget on lingerie. No wonder we hate them so.

hey Joe, according to his tax returns that's 19% more than Obama gives to charity...some lib...ooops, not allowed to call him that anymore either...